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Don Nicola Bux on Amoris Laetitia: "The Eucharist is Not a Sacrament for the Sinner"
Eponymous Flower ^ | August 19, 2016

Posted on 08/22/2016 5:58:11 PM PDT by ebb tide

"The Eucharist is not a sacrament for the sinner but the sacrament of reconciled sinners. Just as it is the source and principle of mercy. I hope I have been clear!

Nicola Bux, August 13, 2016 at a youth meeting in Schio. The theologian spoke on the theme "The sacraments are not a joke." The Eucharist is not a sacrament for the divorced and remarried, but for reconciled sinners. The liturgist Nicola Bux is one of the most reputable practitioners of the liturgical science and is one of the leading supporters of Benedict XVI's intended liturgical renewal. He is a lecturer at the Theological Faculty of Puglia and the local Institute of Religious Sciences, consultor of the Congregation for Doctrine of the Faith and the Congregation for the Causes of Saints and spiritual assistant of the St. Josef Brotherhood of Bari. Under Pope Benedict XVI. he was also a consultant of the Office for the Liturgical Celebrations of the Pope .


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: adultery; francischurch; mortalsin
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To: metmom

Publican exposed ...


101 posted on 08/24/2016 5:18:51 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for spiritual discernment)
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To: boatbums; rollo tomasi; SubMareener
Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is explained in Matthew 7:13-26

HMMMmmm...


13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
 
HMMMmmm... I seem to have missed something.



102 posted on 08/24/2016 5:19:01 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ealgeone

You can’t commit a “mortal” sin without full knowledge. This is what I am talking about. The non-Catholics here are making judgments about the types and frequency of sins committed by Catholics and are using Catholic terminology in the process. However, because they really don’t understand what these terms mean they come to false conclusions.

I get that you don’t distinguish between venial and mortal sins, but we do. And quite honestly my initial comment re: mortal sin in this thread was never meant to get into a debate on the difference between the two nor the difference between Catholic teaching and non-Catholic teaching. It was merely a clarification of my first comment.


103 posted on 08/24/2016 5:19:11 AM PDT by piusv (The Spirit of Christ hasn't refrained from using separated churches as means of salvation:VII heresy)
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To: Resettozero

He ain't my BROTHER!!!!


ET

104 posted on 08/24/2016 5:20:04 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ealgeone; piusv
We have to practically drag the word Christian out of the catholic’s mouth on these threads.

I've noticed that!!


I work hard to remain faithful to my Catholic Faith as do many other Catholics that I know.
-- piusv

105 posted on 08/24/2016 5:22:06 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: rollo tomasi
Many are called but few are chosen; faithful is He that calleth you for He will also do it.

If many are called, why are so few chosen? ... Because so few will let HIM do it, transform them by raising them up in the way that they should go. Those who profess to believe in Jesus as Lord of THEIR life but who actually reject HIS raising are the ones JESUS never knew. They will be rejected at the Great White Throne.

106 posted on 08/24/2016 5:22:32 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for spiritual discernment)
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To: Elsie

That’s because Catholic=Christian.


107 posted on 08/24/2016 5:23:42 AM PDT by piusv (The Spirit of Christ hasn't refrained from using separated churches as means of salvation:VII heresy)
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To: ealgeone

I’ve yet to see any Lutherns, Methodists, Baptists, Presbyterians ETAL proclaiming that they try hard to stay FAITHFUL to their specific denomination that they worship with.


108 posted on 08/24/2016 5:23:46 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ebb tide

Well, the Church is certainly free to define what IT is doing and what IT intends by distribution of the sacraments, but the Church is NOT free to bind Christ and His intentions or desires, with regard to this or any other matter.

The notion that, when Christ fed Judas Iscariot His body and blood that He did not know what He was doing seems bizarre, but I’m not a Catholic theologian.


109 posted on 08/24/2016 5:24:20 AM PDT by Jim Noble (The polls can have a strong influence on the weak-minded)
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To: Elsie

That’s because their churches aren’t Christ’s Church.


110 posted on 08/24/2016 5:25:37 AM PDT by piusv (The Spirit of Christ hasn't refrained from using separated churches as means of salvation:VII heresy)
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To: piusv
I think you've turned to the wrong chart...



111 posted on 08/24/2016 5:29:38 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: piusv
That’s because their churches aren’t Christ’s Church.

I understand; Lord Farquuad.

112 posted on 08/24/2016 5:30:24 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: piusv
You remain clueless ... and your pride in fidelity to the catholiciism religious system of sacramental working for worthiness is blinding you from seeing just how utterly confused you are!

Nicodemus was in a similar fix. Jesus clarified for Nic by pointing to the simplicity of the brass snake on the pole ... the Adamic Nature is deadly poisonous; faith in GOD's Promise to heal from the poison is all it takes to cure the effect of the Adam nature we inherited.

Faith in The One GOD sent for our cure, the ONE raised up upon that cruel cross, is all it takes.

Jesus didn't give Nicodemus a long list of sacramental strivings that would be required to finally receive GOD's GRACE IN CHRIST JESUS.

Do you believe GOD is able to raise you up as a member of HIS family? If you do, then look to Jesus with the pure faith of a little child and be born from above to be raised from infancy to maturity.

As Paul wrote, "It is GOD Who is in you, both to will and to do of HIS good pleasure." As He raises you up, HE focuses the glory on Christ, never your strivings./

113 posted on 08/24/2016 5:36:36 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for spiritual discernment)
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To: ebb tide
So Nicola Bux disagrees with the very words of Jesus...

He must be of a higher authority than Jesus...

Mar 3:28 “Assuredly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they may utter;

Mar 3:29 “but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation”

I assume divorced and remarried,are covered by the words "ALL"

114 posted on 08/24/2016 5:37:32 AM PDT by Popman (Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people. - Proverbs 14:34)
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To: MHGinTN

Ok, I’m clueless. Have a nice day.


115 posted on 08/24/2016 5:45:25 AM PDT by piusv (The Spirit of Christ hasn't refrained from using separated churches as means of salvation:VII heresy)
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To: rollo tomasi
Matt.7: 21-23, why are those that believe in Christ being condemned? They are pleading to Christ (A sign of belief) and Christ is ignoring their excuses, hence not being forgiven. Again, what was the reason (In Matt 7: 13-26).

Because there's a difference between head knowledge and a real relationship of faith and trust.

You can know about someone and not know them.

They are pleading because they don't want to go to hell, a normal response, I'd say.

But notice, they are appealing to their works.

People many times profess Christ for what they can gain from using His name and I'm pretty sure that God is not going to be used by anyone.

116 posted on 08/24/2016 5:47:42 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: rollo tomasi; boatbums

You just answered your own question that you asked bb in post 89.


117 posted on 08/24/2016 5:48:54 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom
I think one of Satan’s biggest successes is to get people to think that they can take care of their sin on their own, through suffering it away.

For being ignorant of God's righteousness, and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God. Romans 10:3.

Would you say this about sums up a works based false religion?

118 posted on 08/24/2016 5:50:21 AM PDT by Mark17 (The love of God, how rich and pure, how measureless and strong. It shall forevermore endure.)
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To: piusv; Elsie

Technically, as I am sure you know, catholic is from the Greek katholikós (in Latin, catholicus) meaning general or universal.

What connotations one added to the plain meaning of the word varies by user.


119 posted on 08/24/2016 5:52:14 AM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: piusv

If you really don’t think that you sin every day on a pretty much continual basis, you are likely to be in for a BIG surprise.

Everything we do is tainted by sin. And usually our motives are not pure. It’s part of the human condition and if you are human, then you sin far more than you realize.

This is the case for anyone who is human. This grading of sin nonsense is a great ploy by the enemy to convince people that they aren’t sinners and that they don’t need to go to God for forgiveness for many things they do in their lives.


120 posted on 08/24/2016 5:52:43 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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