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Judging non-Catholics
OSV.com ^ | 08-17-16 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 08/20/2016 7:45:03 AM PDT by Salvation

Judging non-Catholics Seeing into the hearts of those outside the Church, the Lord will judge them by their knowledge, deeds

Msgr. Charles Pope Catholic, August 28, 2016

8/17/2016

Question: How will God judge non-Catholics at the time of their death? William Bandle, Manchester, Missouri

Answer: Scripture says, “God does not see as a mortal ... The Lord looks into the heart” (1 Sam 16:7). Thus, God, who knows our hearts, will judge us based on what is there. Not all have had the same opportunity to come to know the Lord, his Church and the help of the sacraments. God is just; he knows this and will judge accordingly.

Jesus says, “That servant who knew his master’s will but did not make preparations or act in accord with his will shall be beaten severely and the servant who was ignorant of his master’s will but acted in a way deserving of a severe beating, shall be beaten only lightly” (Lk 12:47-48).

In terms of non-Catholics who lacked some knowledge or sacraments of the Church, God will look into their hearts and judge them based on what they reasonably could have known and their actions based on that.

Therefore, to say that God looks into the heart does not mean that he merely looks to a person’s feelings or disposition. Rather, as Scripture says, we will be judged by our deeds (see Rom 2:6-11). Did our actions correspond to what we knew was expected of us or not?

Thus, the degree of a person’s knowledge of God’s will and his obedience to that knowledge in deeds will be key on the Day of Judgment. This does not mean all non-Catholics and other nonbelievers simply get a pass. Their ignorance of full Catholic teaching must be what is called “invincible ignorance,” meaning a lack of knowledge that they could not reasonably overcome. Thus, if one is lazy or makes excuses when seeking the truth, God will take it into account.

Since the Lord alone sees into our heart, he alone will be our just judge.


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To: amihow
The catechism of JPIi can be used with confidence that it contains authentic teaching. It can be found on Vatican website.

Did JPII actually write the Catechism or did he merely give it his Imprimatur? Also, are you saying that this document consists completely of ex cathedra declarations so everything it says is infallible?

461 posted on 08/22/2016 2:30:16 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: ADSUM

SO not the same thing!


462 posted on 08/22/2016 2:42:50 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums
Did JPII actually write the Catechism or did he merely give it his Imprimatur? Also, are you saying that this document consists completely of ex cathedra declarations so everything it says is infallible?

No St. JPII Didn't write the CCC, it was edited by Christoph Cardinal Schönborn who has since turned into a complete loon. It has turned out to be an awful tool for catechesis (the purpose of a catechism I would think) evidenced by the fact that most of the world that has been heavily exposed to it has lost the faith. We've had it for 20 (very) odd years and rather than being the foundation of a "new springtime" it has helped to usher in Catholicism's nuclear winter.

That's not to say it's totally worthless, necessarily. There are some profoundly beautiful passages in it, but it suffers from the same problem of the documents of Vatican II: it reads like it was written by a UN committee.

463 posted on 08/22/2016 2:50:12 PM PDT by Legatus (I think, therefore you're out of your mind)
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To: Legatus
We've had it for 20 (very) odd years and rather than being the foundation of a "new springtime" it has helped to usher in Catholicism's nuclear winter.

Perhaps this is the will of God.
464 posted on 08/22/2016 3:03:37 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: amihow

The Bible is The Word of God. GOD decided what would be in HIS Word. He used men who were later claimed by the religion of catholiciism as their ‘church fathers’. But you and all your mates at FR purposely conflate The True Church of Believers trusting in JESUS as Lord and Savior, with the man-made institutional church euphemistically called the catholic church. In that little lie is wrapped all the lies of satan who is the father of catholiciism.


465 posted on 08/22/2016 3:16:20 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for spiritual discernment)
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To: boatbums

No re ex Cathedra. There are levels of certainty in Catholic teaching. Refer you to Ludwig Ott book.

The Catechism orderd and approved by JPII and there were a couple of fine tunes. Dogma DEVELOPS without contradicting so more to come.


466 posted on 08/22/2016 3:41:34 PM PDT by amihow
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To: MHGinTN
satan who is the father of catholiciism

Why then do the actual satanists mock Catholicism? Why do they stab Consecrated Hosts in their satanic rituals? Why do they desecrate Catholic holy places and ignore the church of billy bob? What was all that business with the satanists in Oklahoma City last week about, were they trying to upset Oral Roberts University?

467 posted on 08/22/2016 3:46:23 PM PDT by Legatus (I think, therefore you're out of your mind)
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To: Legatus
...and ignore the church of billy bob?

So much for your impartiality.
468 posted on 08/22/2016 4:04:42 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Salvation
My my, what in your humble post could have unleashed such a firestorm of Anti-Catholic vitriol? Usually your Msgnr. Pope articles draw 6-10 rather benign replies but not this time. What could anyone have against God looking into their heart and judging them according to His will? After all He IS God. Prayers for everyone on this thread that they will be charitable and kind to each other.

Judging non-Catholics Seeing into the hearts of those outside the Church, the Lord will judge them by their knowledge, deeds

Msgr. Charles Pope Catholic, August 28, 2016

Question: How will God judge non-Catholics at the time of their death? William Bandle, Manchester, Missouri

Answer: Scripture says, “God does not see as a mortal ... The Lord looks into the heart” (1 Sam 16:7). Thus, God, who knows our hearts, will judge us based on what is there. Not all have had the same opportunity to come to know the Lord, his Church and the help of the sacraments. God is just; he knows this and will judge accordingly.

Jesus says, “That servant who knew his master’s will but did not make preparations or act in accord with his will shall be beaten severely and the servant who was ignorant of his master’s will but acted in a way deserving of a severe beating, shall be beaten only lightly” (Lk 12:47-48).

In terms of non-Catholics who lacked some knowledge or sacraments of the Church, God will look into their hearts and judge them based on what they reasonably could have known and their actions based on that.

Therefore, to say that God looks into the heart does not mean that he merely looks to a person’s feelings or disposition. Rather, as Scripture says, we will be judged by our deeds (see Rom 2:6-11). Did our actions correspond to what we knew was expected of us or not?


469 posted on 08/22/2016 4:09:22 PM PDT by infool7 (The ugly truth is just a big lie.)
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To: infool7
My my, what in your humble post could have unleashed such a firestorm of Anti-Catholic vitriol?

My my, humble post indeed. Innocence abounds.
470 posted on 08/22/2016 4:13:42 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Legatus

Ask the father of confusion why he has his servants attacking each other. Perhaps he wants to lend faux credibility to catholiciism.


471 posted on 08/22/2016 4:19:50 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for spiritual discernment)
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To: Resettozero; metmom; boatbums; aMorePerfectUnion; Old Yeller; knarf; daniel1212
Gee whiz bro. If some people are offended by you, I wonder if they are offended by virtue of the fact, that many of us are ex Catholics? 😇🇵🇭
472 posted on 08/22/2016 4:22:45 PM PDT by Mark17 (The love of God, how rich and pure, how measureless and strong. It shall forevermore endure.)
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To: MHGinTN

Matthew 12:22-28


473 posted on 08/22/2016 4:26:51 PM PDT by Legatus (I think, therefore you're out of your mind)
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To: Legatus; MHGinTN
Matthew 12:22-28

These verses only confirm the validity of what MHGinTN posted. Did you think otherwise?
474 posted on 08/22/2016 4:30:44 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: knarf
Thanks for that picture brother. I agree. We have our Bible, inspite of the efforts of some (not all) to stop it.
I don't think I would have made it in the Middle Ages. I was a rebellious dude, and if some nut case told me I needed to turn in my Bible, I would have told previously mentioned nut case where he could spend eternity, and I would have been on a rack, or burned at the stake as a heretic. Such is life. 😖😩🔥🇵🇭
475 posted on 08/22/2016 4:33:16 PM PDT by Mark17 (The love of God, how rich and pure, how measureless and strong. It shall forevermore endure.)
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To: Legatus

You poor soul, satan DOES lose in the end! His earthly kingdom IS divided against itself! He knows he loses and wants to take as many that God loves with him into oblivion! God loves all of us, but only those who trust in The One GOD sent for our salvation will be recued from the evil one. That is by faith, never works, as HIS WORD repeatedly tells us and catholics in their religion gumble with their requirement of fidelity to the catholic sacramental trail to ‘obtain’ salvation.


476 posted on 08/22/2016 5:14:45 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for spiritual discernment)
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To: Legatus; amihow
No St. JPII Didn't write the CCC, it was edited by Christoph Cardinal Schönborn who has since turned into a complete loon. It has turned out to be an awful tool for catechesis (the purpose of a catechism I would think) evidenced by the fact that most of the world that has been heavily exposed to it has lost the faith. We've had it for 20 (very) odd years and rather than being the foundation of a "new springtime" it has helped to usher in Catholicism's nuclear winter. That's not to say it's totally worthless, necessarily. There are some profoundly beautiful passages in it, but it suffers from the same problem of the documents of Vatican II: it reads like it was written by a UN committee.

Interesting....hey, Amihow, are you aware of this?

477 posted on 08/22/2016 6:07:13 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: af_vet_1981
I notice the tender "Little flock." I also see three levels of judgment, with the first seeming fatal and assigned to the unbelievers. The next is beaten with many stripes for playing instead of watching and working. The last is beaten with few stripes because his lack of works was due to ignorance. Neither of the latter two classes of servant behavior result in assignment to portion of the unbelievers. The Messiah sums it up with saying more is expected from those servants to whom much is given.

There is no tender "Little flock" in the text at issue, and again, the one who knew his lord's will, but "prepared not himself, neither did according to his will" does not describe a believer, nor does a culpable sinner who is ignorant of God's word. The subjects in these cases are those who are set in contrast to the blessed faithful and wise steward, and who instead have their portion with the lost, and will sufferer punishment according to their degree of guilt. Having placed the unfaithful steward in Hell (location), what follows deals with the degree of punishment for unfaithful stewards (sentencing), based on the principle accountability.

You simply have no basis for asserting that "neither of the latter two classes of servant behavior result in assignment to portion of the unbelievers," and that instead they are believers who will have their portion with the redeemed, which is simply not in the text, and you can only wish it was. What is in the text as regards location is unfaithful stewards being with the lost, and of differing degrees of punishment for such. The varying degrees of punishment easily flows from the basic judgment of the first, detailing the basis for the degree of punishment.

Moreover, it is simply incongruous that the Lord would specify where unfaithful stewards end up, but not likewise specify that in contrast, the latter two stewards in Lk. 12:45-48 will suffer some place other than Hell for some time and then be with the Lord. Instead, the Lord speaks of Heaven and Hell-fire, with different degrees of punishment for those who collect the wages of their sins.

478 posted on 08/22/2016 6:12:22 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: daniel1212
There is no tender "Little flock" in the text at issue,

Yes, there is. He used it to address his disciples for the parable which led the Apostle Peter to ask the critical question whose answer we are discussing. I find it an apt and endearing address.

479 posted on 08/22/2016 6:21:49 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: daniel1212

He means it is kinduv near the text under discussion. In the same sorta general area. Close to. But not in.


480 posted on 08/22/2016 6:25:48 PM PDT by Resettozero
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