Posted on 08/20/2016 7:45:03 AM PDT by Salvation
Your comment: “Why is ***anyone*** in the Catholic church concerning themselves with how God will judge others?”
The mission of the Catholic Church is to lead all to salvation. The article was for guidance. It clearly states “Since the Lord alone sees into our heart, he alone will be our just judge.”
You can either learn from the teachings of the Catholic Church or choose to ignore them like many posters here.
It is you that are judging and impugning the Catholic Church on alleged sins of some and they could be just inclinations and not sins as most priests and nuns are celibate. Again as Jesus asked “are you without sin to cast the first stone?” I do not deny that there is sinful activity by some Catholics and they may risk their salvation by doing so. There are certainly other internal and organizational problems that the Church needs to fix.
I believe that the Catholic Church has continued for 2000 years to teach the moral religious doctrines that Jesus and the Apostles gave us. I believe that many outside the Catholic Church have rejected some of the teachings of Jesus by their personal interpretations.
The Catholic Church doctrine is very clear on sexual sins outside of marriage including homosexuality, adultery, divorce and remarriage, etc. We have followed the Truth of Jesus compared to the Protestant doctrines and practices.
Thank you for your prayers as we all need to follow Christ’s example and do God’s will. We will need God’s help to solve our problems.
God’s Peace be with you.
Your comment: “And yes, we have complete faith in Jesus because we are indwelt with the Holy Spirit who confirms with our spirit that this is the truth...”
That’s great and I hope is it true when you die and face God’s judgement.
However, I disagree with your statement that you reject our false interpretations.
I believe you reject the actual words of Jesus ““Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him” (John 6:53–56).”
May you find and understand God’s Truth.
We have. It's why a lot of us are not roman catholic.
No, cause it’s not in there.
But we all already know that therefore the RCC has to elevate *sacred tradition* to the level of Scripture to justify their doctrine.
And where does Scripture tell us that Jesus returns with His mom.
What? Does He need her to hold His hand or something?
Sheesh.....
Another excuse and deflection for not obeying the clear commands of Scripture.
No, salvation is very easy.
By grace through faith.
Wrong, as while most of Scripture was established as being so before there was a church of Rome which presumed it was essential for this, and the NT saw general establishment by the 3rd century due to their Heavenly qualities and attestation, yet (as often substantiated here), scholarly doubts and disagreements continued down the centuries and right into Trent, which provided the first indisputable/"infallible" complete canon for RCs - after the death of Luther, who had freedom for his opinions on this (whose non-binding Protestantism did not wholly follow, but who included apocryphal books in a separate section, as per an ancient custom).
Why would he need to show present official Catholic teaching for this personal experience? Are you arguing his experience did not have any basis in historical Catholic teaching, and are projecting *your* beliefs that the RCC was consistent in this issue, and did not clearly hinder Bible literacy in the past, and discouraged it as a whole?
So you believe that only Ex Cathedra Statements from the Church from the church requires assent from RCs? That certainly would be very limited, and certainly not the bulk of RC teaching. Can can you provide an infallible list of all infallible teaching, or (if you hold other teachings such as encyclicals as requiring assent) what magisterial level each falls under so we may know what level of assent is required? It is not your one basic duty that of simply following your pastors?
You do not even have the reference correct, which is Lk. 12:
Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath. But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; (Luke 12:43-45)
The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more. (Luke 12:46-48)
And which is not speaking of (mythical) RC purgatory (which tradition-based EOs disagree with) in which believers whose mortal sins forgiven still must pay the temporal punishment due to sins, and become perfect in character, but instead contextually it is contrasting the saved and the lost, and with the servant that was not prepared, as well as the ignorant sinner (who knew not the Lord and His will) belonging to the damnation of "that servant" whose portion is with the unbelievers.
And in which we see the equity of God's justice, in which there is a difference in the severity of eternal punishment based on the degree of accountability. (Lk. 10:12-15)
In contrast, the only suffering after this life is that of the judgment seat of Christ, (1Co. 3:8) which does no begin at death, but awaits the Lord's return, (1Cor. 4:5; 2Tim. 4:1,8; Rev.11:18; Mt. 25:31-46; 1Pt. 1:7; 5:4) and is the suffering of the loss of rewards due to the manner of material one built the church with, which one is saved despite the loss of such, not because of it.
And wherever Scripture manifestly speaks of the next realization for true believers after this life then it is with the Lord. (Lk. 23:43 [cf. 2Cor. 12:4; Rv. 2:7]; Phil 1:23; 2Cor. 5:8 ["we"]; 1Cor. 15:51ff'; 1Thess. 4:17)/p>
Note that in the latter case all believers were assured that if the Lord returned, which they expected in their lifetime, so would they "ever be with the Lord." (1Thes. 4:17) though they were still undergoing growth in grace, as was Paul. (Phil. 3:10ff) /p>
For Paul himself confessed he was not perfect, and longed to attain to the state of the resurrection, but stated that for him and believers to be absent from the body here would meant being present with the Lord, with not a hint of suffering in the interim, except at judgment seat of Christ.
From this it is inferred that a less than cleansed soul, even if "covered," remains a dirty soul and isn’t fit for heaven. It needs to be cleansed or "purged" of its remaining imperfections. The cleansing occurs in purgatory. Indeed, the necessity of the purging is taught in other passages of Scripture, such as 2 Thessalonians 2:13, which declares that God chose us "to be saved through sanctification by the Spirit." Sanctification is thus not an option, something that may or may not happen before one gets into heaven. It is an absolute requirement, as Hebrews 12:14 states that we must strive "for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord." http://www.catholic.com/tracts/purgatory
But which is contradicted by Scripture which the RC abuses in attempting to support traditions of men! Scripture (Peter no less) teaches that God purifies the heart by faith, ("purifying their hearts by faith." - Acts 15:9) and that even the immature Corinthians were washed, sanctified, and justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. (1 Corinthians 6:11)
And that while CA invokes 2 Thessalonians, they were told that they would all be with the Lord is He returned in their lifetime. (1Ths. 4:17)
Finally, Hebrews 12:14 does not say to strive for "that" holiness, as if a certain level was to be met, but to follow after holiness, which is required to see the Lord, but which is consistent with faith, the keeping of which is the theme of Hebrews, (Heb. 10:17) and which holiness these Hebrews were told they already possessed, and could had direct access into the holy of holies by the sinless shed blood of the Lord Jesus.
By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. (Heb 10:10-14)
Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; (Heb 10:19-20)
Thus they are exhorted to pursue what they already had, which is mark of true faith. We see this in Phil. 3, in which Paul, who states that if he was to leave this world then He would be with the Lord, (For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better: (Philippians 1:23) but expresses how much he wanted to attain perfection in this life, "the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus," and to now be like a resurrected believer, while pointing to that resurrection as being the next transformative event, "Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself." (Philippians 3:21)
Purgatory is simply not there.
GOD has already decided! HIS Spirit directs your mind, which is part of your soul. HIS Spirit convicts us. HOS Spirit cleanses us from ALL unrighteousness. Not by the intercession of a priest or The Dead Mother of Jesus, but by HIS PROMISE. A promise from GOD is the same as having already happened. When you get born from above, HE sees you as fully and completely cleansed from sin, because that assigns the HONOR to JESUS, never to your strivings.
Sure we are to demonstrate it. But that doesn't save us. The faith alone does.
The works are the natural outgrowth of that faith by which we know that we have been born again.
Where is the historical record that Peter was ever in Rome?
And here's another one.
To this day, if someone tells me I *have to try.....* or *everyone is doing....*, my initial reaction is *Make me*, as I dig in my heels.
I am NOT a crowd follower and never was.
Good call.
You speak for me as well.
Hello. I was born and raised Catholic and have family members who are clergy in the Catholic church.
I know enough about Catholicism that I don't need to investigate the Roman church.
And what about the EO? Or the Eastern rite Catholic churches? Or one of the 22 some other flavors of Catholicism?
Which of them is right?
Or is only the Roman church the ONLY OTC?
All these different opinions fracture the body of Christ. We need a decider to whom we all listen.
Do we? Why?
So we can all come together under one global world church?
Uh, no thanks.
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