Posted on 08/20/2016 7:45:03 AM PDT by Salvation
We do not avoid the hell-fire by wearing a piece of cloth.
Hell is avoided by having faith in Christ and Christ alone.
It is His death on the cross that keeps us out of the hell-fire.
He made the sacrifice. No one else.
I am sorry that you take Papal comments as an Ex Cathedra Statement from the Church -- You are *wrong* in making that false assumption.
You noted *NOTHING* as Offical Catholic Teaching on Mary and/or her role as an Inspiration in our spiritual life.
The Catholic Church teaches that *O-N-L-Y* Jesus can allow us the Hope of Salvation --- Wearing peices of cloth, or asking Mary (or any other Saint) to pray for us, are only images that help us sinful humans aspire to a more Faith-Filled Life, and influence the Faithful as to their hopeful desire of being ever closer to Christ...
The Catholic Church teaches that *O-N-L-Y* Jesus can allow us the Hope of Salvation --- Wearing peices of cloth, or asking Mary (or any other Saint) to pray for us, are only images that help us sinful humans aspire to a more Faith-Filled Life, and influence the Faithful as to their hopeful desire of being ever closer to Christ...
Wow....what a spin. Wearing a piece of cloth that promises you won't see the hell-fire as told by an apparition..... is only an image....
Wow. Just. Wow.
We do not avoid the hell-fire by wearing a piece of cloth.
Hell is avoided by having faith in Christ and Christ alone.
It is His death on the cross that keeps us out of the hell-fire.
He made the sacrifice. No one else.
I am sorry that you take Papal comments as an Ex Cathedra Statement from the Church -- You are *wrong* in making that false assumption.
You noted *NOTHING* as Offical Catholic Teaching on Mary and/or her role as an Inspiration in our spiritual life.
The Catholic Church teaches that *O-N-L-Y* Jesus can allow us the Hope of Salvation --- Wearing peices of cloth, or asking Mary (or any other Saint) to pray for us, are only images that help us sinful humans aspire to a more Faith-Filled Life, and influence the Faithful as to their hopeful desire of being ever closer to Christ...
Nailed it!!!
My sincerest apologies for the double post.
Was this spoken Ex-Cathedra? All Popes are free to speak their mind (and this one is flat awful), --- BUT --- if it is *not* Ex-Cathedra, then it is merely his opinion (and this Pope's opinion doesn't mean much!)
LOL!
It is our duty and our salvation. Some people have spiritual disabilities for lack of a better word. Those who stumble at the word Catholic/catholic may do better if they use the word Christian, although they must needs love their Catholic brethren. Love covers a multitude of sins.
Purgatory plainly isn’t biblical. How do I know? I know because the Bible explicitly teaches that Jesus cleanses us from ALL of our sin (see 1 John 1:7). And 1 John 2:2 says, “He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.”
Why would anyone need Purgatory if Christ has cleansed them of all of their sin? Why Purgatory if Christ is the propitiation?
The horrible thing about this fake doctrine is that like so much of the Roman religion, it is a direct attack on the person and work of Christ Jesus. As with the mass, it directly undermines His once-for-all finished atoning work on the cross.
I just saw it...awesome! I’ve just gotten home and am only now catching up on this thread. There is much I could say in response to an awful lot of folly, but I think I’ll just read and enjoy my late night coffee instead. As always I appreciate the efforts of faithful believers here.
Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom. Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning; And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately. Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them. And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants. And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through. Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not. Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all? And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season? Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath. But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
He was "generous"? How very special! He actually wasn't kind but condescending. He said:
He presumes that the only reason someone isn't a Catholic is because they don't really know about the religion and its "sacraments". What do you think he meant by "reasonably" could have known? He certainly isn't referring to former Catholics who are STILL Christians.
He also stated:
Therefore, to say that God looks into the heart does not mean that he merely looks to a person’s feelings or disposition. Rather, as Scripture says, we will be judged by our deeds (see Rom 2:6-11). Did our actions correspond to what we knew was expected of us or not?
Our salvation will be based on what we believe about Jesus Christ not whether or not we joined the "right" church. God certainly ALONE can see the heart which is why salvation is based on faith and not the outward works we do. Piety can be faked, but God isn't tricked - ever.
He ends with saying:
Thus, the degree of a person’s knowledge of God’s will and his obedience to that knowledge in deeds will be key on the Day of Judgment. This does not mean all non-Catholics and other nonbelievers simply get a pass. Their ignorance of full Catholic teaching must be what is called “invincible ignorance,” meaning a lack of knowledge that they could not reasonably overcome. Thus, if one is lazy or makes excuses when seeking the truth, God will take it into account. Since the Lord alone sees into our heart, he alone will be our just judge.
He again is patronizing towards non-Catholic Christians presuming that it is only because of "invincible ignorance" that we aren't all Roman Catholics. Your Catechism also makes the distinction about former Catholics who, while remaining faithful to Jesus Christ in beliefs and holy lives, cannot be saved as long as they remain outside of the Roman Catholic church. What is so ridiculous about this thinking is that a non-believer is given a better chance of being saved than an ex-Catholic who nevertheless remains a faithful Christian! If atheists might be saved if they "live according to the dictates of their conscience" - which is a HUGE chasm for what that could mean - but former Catholics can't be even when their lives are shining examples of what it means to BE a Christian, then that kind of thinking is all kinds of messed up heresy.
I have NO intentions of ever rejoining the Catholic church - there's no reason why I should. I have the blessed assurance that it is because of my faith in Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior that I have eternal life. I am more a Christian now than I ever was as a Catholic. Mnsr. Pope sprinkled plenty of judgment in his non-judgmental article. I saw it and so did a lot of others here. That you apparently didn't shows me you lack discretion as well as "generosity".
I refer you to Catholic Answers webpage “Is Puratory in the Bible?” written by Tim Staples a Baptist convert.
Cleanse your own house before setting yourselves up as judges of others. Start with the Gay Mafia that infests Vatican City.
I know all about Tim Staples and don’t care what he thinks or says. I stand by my comment and I’ll ask YOU again: If Jesus paid all sin debt as Scripture explicitly teaches, why is purgatory necessary? Don’t look to Tim Staples or your priests, you will stand in judgment by yourself. If you merely accept what they say you had better know that they are right. On what basis would you make that decision? I can point to explicit Scripture that contradicts the very reason for the existence of Purgatory. You must decide if you trust your soul in the hands of Tim Staples and Rome or do you trust the plain Word of God? These are rhetorical questions for you to ponder. I don’t expect an answer. I don’t ask you to trust me or to join anything. I want nothing. I would simply ask you to be a Berean and search the Scriptures for yourself to prove what you believe for yourself.
Clearly Purgatory isn’t needed. And this is no small thing because the very idea of Purgatory undermines the work of Christ. Purgatory is a lie, a deadly deception. You will never be good enough to pay for any amount of your sin. If Christ didn’t pay your sin debt in full you are eternally doomed—and that goes for me and every single son of Adam.
Time and again Rome asks her adherents to trust her teaching in the face of explicit Scripture to the contrary. I don’t know why anyone would put trust in doctrines that have, at the very best, vague biblical support, particularly when the ideas stand in contradiction to clear biblical teaching. When I look at Rome it helps me to understand the situation Jeremiah described in chapter 5 when he wrote, “The prophets prophesy falsely, And the priests rule on their own authority; And My people love it so! But what will you do at the end of it?” (Jeremiah 5:31) The ruling authorities of Rome lead their people astray and the people love it so.
LOL. That doesn’t teach Purgatory.
Both you and the Church and Staples cannot be right. If I have to choose, I choose a studied convert and an infallible Church along with my own study. Most of us are not perfect at death and nothing unclean enters heaven. Thus purgatorial cleansing.
Apparently this report was passed down over the years but this was not an official doctrine of the Catholic Church.
Were the Carmelites of old “fibbing” about the brown scapular?
No, they firmly believed the origin story handed down to them. It’s taken centuries of historical research to sort out fact from pious fiction, and for centuries the pious fiction was passed on as God’s truth (literally).
http://www.catholic.com/blog/michelle-arnold/the-sign-of-the-scapular
On web site: http://www.fatima.org/apostolate/pdf/brown_scapular.pdf
The great personal reward one may receive is “The
Sabbatine (or SATURDAY) Privilege” and is based on a
Papal bull issued on March 3, 1322, by Pope John XXII.
The privilege is frequently understood to mean that
those who wear the Scapular and fulfill two other conditions (which, according to the only copy of the bull in existence, were made by the Blessed Virgin Mary in an apparition to Pope John XXII) will be FREED FROM PURGATORY ON THE FIRST SATURDAY AFTER DEATH.
However, all that the Church has ever said officially
in explanation of this, on several occasions, is that those who fulfill the conditions of the Sabbatine Privilege will be released from purgatory, through the intercession of Our Blessed Lady, SOON after death, and ESPECIALLY ON SATURDAY.
The scapular does not protect one that dies in sin.
When I was a Catholic, I was embarrassed by some of the peculiar things, but the one thing that embarrassed me MOST, was holy water. I couldn't defend it.
Metmon states: “There’s not a single place in Scripture where faith in th4e Catholic church, or participation in the Catholic church is ever made a requirement for salvation.”
Are you sure? I think you are in denial. Here is one reference. There are others. Can you obtain the Eucharist - the Real Presence of Jesus anywhere but the Catholic Church?
“Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him” (John 6:53–56).
Affirmarive sir, but I was also told by some not to read it. That was a mistake, to tell me not to read it, because I was in the habit of doing the opposite of what I was told.
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