Pope Francis Says Church Should Apologise to Gays

BBC ^ | 6/26/16

[marshmallow]

Pope Francis has said that the Roman Catholic Church should apologise to gay people for the way it has treated them.

He told reporters that the Church had no right to judge the gay community, and should show them respect.

The pontiff also said the Church should seek forgiveness from other people it had marginalised - women, the poor, and children forced into labour.

The Pope has been hailed by many in the gay community for his positive attitude towards homosexuals.

But some conservative Catholics have criticised him for making comments they say are ambiguous about sexual morality.

Speaking to reporters on his plane returning from Armenia, the Pope said: "I will repeat what the catechism of the Church says, that they [homosexuals] should not be discriminated against, that they should be respected, accompanied pastorally."

Pope Francis said the Church should seek forgiveness from those whom it had marginalised.

"I think that the Church not only should apologise... to a gay person whom it offended but it must also apologise to the poor as well, to the women who have been exploited, to children who have been exploited by [being forced to] work. It must apologise for having blessed so many weapons."

[Prospero]

The Bride of Christ should apologize?

I don't think so.

[Paulie]

I don’t suppose the Pontiff bothers to pick up a Bible very much, but he best heed the words of Jesus Himself in Matthew 7:21-23.

[tenthirteen]

enough of this interloper, fourflusher and absolute Jesuit loser. all this crap started around 1958 at the consistory where the marxists cardinals stole the Papacy from Cardinal Siri and handed it to John XXIII. That insurrection led straight to Vatican II. That sideshow turned the Roman Catholic Church into the Protestant Catholic experiment.

We’d have gotten a better deal from George Soros. There will be a leavening though, they forget about the eternal watchman. Watch and see what happens. It won’t be long now.

[Paulie]

Interesting you say this about Vatican II, because I’ve been increasingly disturbed by the results of it.

Unfortunately I cannot, so far, find a Tridentine Mass withing striking distance of where I live, but inconvenient as it is, I’ll probably make the trip anyway.

[BlackElk]

May God speed the end of this papacy and the election of a young, vigorous, restorationist, thoroughly orthodox replacement for this mistake of a "pope" and before he gets to appoint any cardinal electors to replace the radical cadre of the "St. Gall Society" (now dead Martini, Kaspar, Marx, Madariaga, Bergoglio himself and others) which was formed to elect Martini but he up and died on them. May Francis's every deviation be erased.

Also, take the worst of his appointments (i.e. Archbishop Cupich of Chicago) out and replace them with Catholics.

[BlackElk]

Search the website of Una Voce to find an up to date list of all approved Tridentine Masses, their times and locations.

God bless!

[aquila48]

And the beating goes on.

Next week the Marxist Pope will himself perform the first same sex marriage within the Catholic Church.

[LadyDoc]

This guy is just asking for a schism.

Maybe he should read the bible.

[Biggirl]

“thoroughly orthodox replacement for this mistake of a “pope”

You mean a “conservative” which is the better term.

[KSCITYBOY]

Spot on - the church and the media let that go on for years.

[piusv]

No, “Catholic” would be the better term.

[piusv]

The Secretary of State under Pius XI, Msgr. Eugenio Cardinal Pacelli, prior to his elevation to the papacy in 1939 as Pius XII, made the following astonishing prophecy about a coming upheaval in the Church:

Suppose, dear friend, that Communism [one of "the errors of Russia" mentioned in the Message of Fatima] was only the most visible of the instruments of subversion to be used against the Church and the traditions of Divine Revelation ... I am worried by the Blessed Virgin’s messages to Lucy of Fatima. This persistence of Mary about the dangers which menace the Church is a divine warning against the suicide of altering the Faith, in Her liturgy, Her theology and Her soul. … I hear all around me innovators who wish to dismantle the Sacred Chapel, destroy the universal flame of the Church, reject Her ornaments and make Her feel remorse for Her historical past.

A day will come when the civilized world will deny its God, when the Church will doubt as Peter doubted. She will be tempted to believe that man has become God. In our churches, Christians will search in vain for the red lamp where God awaits them. Like Mary Magdalene weeping before the empty tomb, they will ask, "Where have they taken Him?"

Sure does describe Vatican II to a tee.

[marshmallow]

Prophetic.

He's either paraphrasing what he read in the third secret or he's relating a mystical experience of his own.

[piusv]

I just fell upon this quote. I had never seen it before. I got it from a Fatima website.

[fwdude]

Serious question for Catholics. Is there a way for the Church to remove a heretic pope?

[NKP_Vet]

The Catholic Church has been without a pope since B16 was forced out of office by the Lavender Mafia.

[marshmallow]

We're sailing in unchartered waters.......there's no historical precedent that I know of for such a move. This is the stuff of which schisms are made.

Momentous events are unfolding....

[BlatherNaut]

He wants Rome to grovel to Sodom. Perhaps he should resign and move to San Francisco.

[BlackElk]

I meant what I said. Orthodox means absolutely faithful to the Teaching Magisterium of the Roman Catholic Church established through nearly two millenia of Catholicism.

As much as I identify as a "conservative" in politics, that term has become relatavistic. The late Senator Robert A Taft was known as "Mr. Conservative" as recently as 1952. He was a superb man and, for his time, a very fine conservative, though scarcely infallible. The operative words are "for his time."

Taft's major heresy had been his pre-Pearl Harbor isolationism, cured by the dive bombers of the Imperial Japanese Navy. After the war, he adopted a far more sensible policy that Europe was dead because it had enjoyed and rejected capitalism but tat the US should look to build alliances in Asia, Africa and Latin America where capitalism had never been tried.

Twelve years later, Senator Barry Goldwater was "Mr. Conservative." Unlike Taft, Goldwater advocated an aggressive interventionist foreign policy on which he was right as Taft had been wrong. Unfortunately, Goldwater was also devoted to social revolutionary ideas like abortion on demand and permissive sexual perversion policies.

Twelve years after that (and, in truth from his election eve 1964 speech A Time for Choosing), Ronald Reagan became "Mr. Conservative." A foreign policy as aggressive as necessary to deter the soviets and other enemies, bringing them down without a shot being fired. Domestic tax cuts. A positive promotion of economic freedom and jobs and an optimistic restoration of American values.

For me and a LOT of my contemporaries, Ronaldus Maximus will ALWAYS be Mr. Conservative.

Catholicism does not easily lend itself to terms like liberal or conservative. There is simply Catholicism and heresy. Catholicism is the orthodox adherence to the Magisterium. This is not a reference to Eastern Orthodoxy.

[Biggirl]

I go with conservative, moderate, liberal, but that is me. I see Orthodox as more to refer to the eastern churches. I will also use the words traditional and modern as well.