Posted on 06/24/2016 11:05:35 AM PDT by NRx
For more than thirty years now I have been an observer and sometime participant in what I will here call the conservative Episcopalian mess. The departure of more orthodox Episcopalians from an apostatizing mainstream headed by weak and clownish English archbishops and astoundingly aggressive heretics in North America, contained no real surprises, for this is the predictable fruit of religious liberalism hatched upon an ignorant, passive, and venal laity, that we have seen in other major Protestant churches, and from which modern Roman Catholicism, especially under a Nice Pope, is unlikely to be much of a refuge.
What I have found somewhat surprising, I suppose because my knowledge of the ecclesial geography was not very deep early on, was what a hard time conservative Anglicans have had getting their act (literally) together. Now to be sure, my “geographical” knowledge has increased over the years, so that I understand quite well that “conservative” applies to a number of incompatible or barely compatible attitudes. It covers the traditionalist for whom a charge of heresy applies to any change from the 1928 Prayer Book (even though that Prayer Book is a liberalization of older ones—it leaves out, for example, the bride’s charge to “obey”), to the dotty eccentrics of many varieties for which this Church is so famous, to those who reject women’s ordination principally because they are homosexual misogynists, to the odd clerical ducks for whom departure from the Episcopal Church gave them the chance to become bishops (the Volo Episcoparis and their numerous episcopi vagantes), to sober, reasonable, and catholic-minded Christians who loved the beauties of the most liturgically traditional, least sectarian-minded, and most cultured of Protestant churches.
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As you well know the Episcopalian Church has become very Liberal and Leftist. Witness the Idiot Woman who was the last Bishop of the Church.
I grew up in the Episcopal Church, it was pretty Conservative at one time but at about the same time the Democrat Party made that huge Left turn in 1972 so did the Episcopal Church.
I have rarely stepped foot in one for the last 36 years and have no intention of doing so. It is a lost cause as some many of the other segments of the Protestant Church’s. They have embraced that which seems contradictory to the teachings I grew up with.
Quite so. The Episcopals, like the Democrats, worship the High Holy Anus and all the degeneracy that flows from that. Sodomy is not a Christian value.
Agreed. The Episcopal “Church” is clearly apostate. Anyone still in there needs to get out.
I lasted there until the 1980's. Poor lost souls.
These days, a conservative Episcopalian is an Anglican.
For the record and for completeness, I presume you mean Katharine Jeffers Schori, retired (2009-2015) Presiding Bishop of the Episcopal Church of the United States. This barking moonbat of a heretic has led the charge to damage the traditionalists in every way possible. The one I regard with particular horror was when she reclaimed a church and then sold it to an Islamic religious group. If her savior died for her to do that, he is not the One that I worship!
“...to those who reject women’s ordination principally because they are homosexual misogynists.”
How often are Episcoplaian clergy married? Are bishops married or what?
“a lot of the women priests in ACNA have stood side-by-side with a number of our bishops and clergy who are against women’s ordination when they were in the Episcopal Church. These women argued for the right of these bishops to have the freedom to not ordain women.”
I’d have to see it to believe it I guess.
Freegards
Married clergy is the norm in the Anglican tradition. They kinda jettisoned the idea of clerical celibacy when they broke from Rome. Now that sodomitical marriage is legal, I’d say this has become even more common.
P.S. to my above. Yes, they do married bishops.
All the pro-homosexual religious leaders are invariably down with priestesses per my observations. I just wondered who the homosexual misogynist types are, or if they exist at all. I’ve never seen it anyhow. Is there one Episcopal gay priest that is in a ‘gay marriage’ that doesn’t want women ordained?
Freegards
When was it decided that women could be ordained in TEC? That was the point of irreversible apostasy, in my estimate.
I don’t know. Something that has happened in at least the last 20 or 25 years.
Did you ever watch the Brit comedy the "Vicar of Dibley"?
Theological cliff is a good analogy.
I am told that most Protestant denominations do NOT have female clergy. I can't find any site that gives that kind of information.
Some Pentecostal groups have always ordained women. I am thinking of AOG and others. Most have the caveat of not permitting women in full leadership.
Several Episcopal Bishops and many priests left the wife for the boyfriend.
I sense an unfulfilled "need" for ministers arising and being filled by women. Men ministers seem to be dwindling in number. Am I reading that correctly?
Thanks for your response.
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