Posted on 05/19/2016 4:32:16 PM PDT by ghosthost
Coming back to the migrant issue, the worst form of welcome is to ‘ghettoize’them. On the contrary, it’s necessary to integrate them. . This integration is all the more necessary today since, as a result of a selfish search for well-being, Europe is experiencing the grave problem of a declining birth rate.
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Can you recall the Pope?
Very interesting post; thread. Thanks to all posters. BUMP!
26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”
27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion.
28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of “separation of church and state.”
http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm
Yes, Soros and company and those behind the curtains for whom they act as front-men.
And Communism is their facade for destruction as well.
"Amen!!! Pray for Mr. Trump!!! His inauguration indeed cannot come soon enough! Bless him, for the future of a civilized free world rests upon his shoulders!! ONE BRAVE MAN!!!"
And now, I go puke my guts out. I WAS eating supper.
Finally, somebody has read their Bible. The average guy has no clue who the whore of Babylon is, or who the False Prophet will be. It will become more and more obvious what is happening as we get closer to the end, but Catholics will be trapped by tradition and prefer the RCC to Jesus. Jesus said "Come out of Her" or suffer the same plagues as the lost.
"and We have been concerned also lest it may befall Us to see the abomination of desolation, which was spoken of by the prophet Daniel, in the holy place."
Confer paragraph #1 at the link posted in comment #40.
The abomination of desolation, which was spoken of by the prophet Daniel, in the holy place.", refers to the Beast declaring himself God in the Temple to be built in Jerusalem. This person will be an Assyrian with one eye and a bad arm. Why would the Jews allow a Protestant to be a Rabbi or according to what you believe, a Catholic to allow a Protestant pope?
The end times is all about the salvation of the Jews. The church at Thyatira, written about in Revelation is the RCC. Thyatira was the daughter of Nimrod, the founder of the Babylonian religion which was incorporated into Christianity when Augustine and Constantine took over the true Christian church in the 4th century. This mixed the church started by the Apostles and the pagan church started by Nimrod. Ergo the "daughter" church. This is how we get Christmas on Dec 25, the winter solstice, instead of Tabernacles, when Jesus was actually born. If you notice, Easter is a pagan day with fertility gods that are NOT on Passover, which is clearly when Jesus was crucified. The calendar was changed to the Julian calendar from the Jewish calendar, and the Sabbath was changed to Sunday even though the 10 Commandments clearly says otherwise.
There are about 50 more reasons the RCC was born from paganism found in Timothy and the Gospels. Look up "doctrines of demons" and see if you recognize anything like forbidding to marry. Look up repeating prayers and also see if Jesus is the ONLY mediator between you and God. Mary is not mentioned. There are, of course others like Mistletoe, Trees in you house, the Yule Log, the absence of nuns, cardinals and popes, ect. The pagan Romans introduced all these things into the church. Whether it be Jupiter or Zeus, it's all the same with just different names.
I can’t believe the leader of the church I grew up in could even imagine saying things like this. But there it is. Shame on you, Bishop of Rome. Everlasting shame on you. Disgusting.
And yet most of the Catholics here think Ratzinger is the bomb. It has come to light that he lied about the Third Secret of Fatima. If he is the bomb and the true pope (vs the anti-pope Bergoglio) then why hasn't he told the full truth about the Secret?
This person will be an Assyrian with one eye and a bad arm.
Yes, but what brand of shoe will he wear? What will he prefer for lunch?
The church at Thyatira, written about in Revelation is the RCC.
All of the churches in Revelation were Catholic, because there was no other kind of Christian church at the time. All of them really existed in towns in what is now Turkey. All of those towns are today either in ruins or Muslim.
The rest of your screed is nonsense lifted from the writings of an ignorant "pastor" named Hislop, who knew practically nothing about Catholicism since he had grown up in a country where Catholicism was illegal. Much of what he fixates on are English customs, not Catholic ones.
world needs another Vlad the Impaler.
Both of you are infected with the same kind of ridiculous ultra-Montanism that the liberals are. You inflate papal authority beyond its true bounds.
Go look up what happened to Honorius I in the Monothelite controversy. He was *anathematized* by an ecumenical council for basically playing cute with Sergius and the Monothelites. Was Benedict’s alleged “heresy” worse than that?
And you fault Paul VI for chopping up the Roman Missal, don’t you? Well good, so do I. But go read how St. Pius X butchered the Roman Breviary and tell me that was any better.
Bergoglio is a complete, unadulterated mess. I hope he is swiftly deposed. But the one silver lining in all of this is that it may kill forever the idea that papal authority extends to anything more than *defending the deposit of faith transmitted once and for all to the Apostles.*
Study Church history deeply and you’ll find that in many ages there was a jumping off point where people could have said “I’m outta here.” I am NOT saying what the Popes did in those times was right. I’m just trying to give you some perspective that even the occupant of the See of Peter does titanically stupid things from time to time and needs to be corrected. If you go forward with that in mind, you’ll be less likely to spin off into absurd schisms.
Daniel 8:23-25.
Daniel 11:37-45.
Isa 10:24.
Isa 14:25.
There are many more descriptions of the Antichrist, but you probably won't bother to even look these up. Also in the type and shadow category, Isa 52:4 describes the Pharaoh that had forgotten Joseph. Joseph was revered in Egypt till an Assyrian was made Pharaoh and hated the Jews. many things in the OT are predictors of future events. Questions you might want to answer for yourself,...What city is on 7 mountains with a church involved in Rev 17:9? Rev 17:6 describes a woman drunk on the blood of the martyrs? What church has killed more martyrs than any on earth? What church has fornicated with every king of the earth in the Roman empire? What church uses red and purple as their colors? Rev 18:3-9. Jesus even cry's out to her for His people to come out of her in 18:4. Jesus has some people in the church that need to come to their senses as the prodigal did when he realized he was eating with pigs.
You must be able to read the spiritual aspect of the Bible to understand it. A woman is always a church or religion. Thyatira was a real church in modern day Turkey, but it also represents something spiritual. It also represents a time period in the church history. Read Isa 4:1 and read it this way. Know that "in that day" is always the end times, women are religions, the one man is Christ, "their own food" means they make up their own doctrines( Christians should be eating the Word of God not traditions of men),wear their own apparel means they won't wear the robe of righteousness Christ has given them( call evil good and good evil), only they want to be called Christians so the world will think they follow Christ.
If you read that without knowing what Isa is saying, you completely miss the meaning. This is why people have difficulty reading Daniel, Ezekiel, Revelation, and others. You have to understand what horn's, heads, beasts of the field, birds of the air, women, locust's, ect mean spiritually.
Another example is found in Ezekiel 31. If you know trees represent people, olive trees are anointed people, water is always words( either Satan's, God's, or man's), branches are church members( I am the Vine, you are the branches), birds are demons, and beasts of the field are demons. Many think it's speaking about the RCC. At least you have to realize it will be a world religion that has grown so big that pride has taken over reason. Churches eating their own food and not the bread of the Bible are rampant today. When the pope speaks like he is quoted here, even Catholics have to re evaluate their loyalties. Return to your first love, Christ,.... not Mary, not Peter, Not dead saints.
In other matters, however, I agree with you that the ultramontane bit, except in protecting the Deposit of the Faith, is over the top.
Prudential decisions not affecting the Faith are either prudent or not, usually subject to some compromise, and with trade-offs.
I would greatly prefer the pre-Pius X breviary and I want all of the pre-Pius V Sequences in the Mass back as well, instead of just the seven that remain.
Pius XI in his attempts to play global chess on a universal scale, horribly sold out the Catholic nationalist resistance movements in France, Spain and especially Mexico where the Cristeros had been victorious on the battlefield against the Marxist Freemasonic government forces where they turned over their weapons and were all slaughtered.
As for Pope Honorius, while close, it was never formal heresy because it was a private letter that did not come to light until after his death.
Saint Robert Bellarmine on Honorius
"And what is more, in the Fourth Council of Constantinople, Act 7, the acts of the Roman Council under Hadrian are recited, and in those it was contained that Pope Honorius appeared to be legally anathematized, because he had been convicted of heresy, the only reason where it is lawful for inferiors to judge superiors. Here the fact must be remarked upon that, although it is probable that Honorius was not a heretic, and that Pope Hadrian II was deceived by corrupted copies of the Sixth Council, which falsely reckoned Honorius was a heretic, we still cannot deny that Hadrian, with the Roman Council, and the whole Eighth Synod sensed that in the case of heresy, a Roman Pontiff can be judged. Add, that it would be the most miserable condition of the Church, if she should be compelled to recognize a wolf, manifestly prowling, for a shepherd."
Which proves the practice of his losing the pontificate would have been justified if it had indeed occurred.
The question was also raised by a Cardinal, “What is to be done with the Pope if he becomes a heretic?” It was answered that there has never been such a case; the Council of Bishops could depose him for heresy, for from the moment he becomes a heretic he is not the head or even a member of the Church. The Church would not be, for a moment, obliged to listen to him when he begins to teach a doctrine the Church knows to be a false doctrine, and he would cease to be Pope, being deposed by God Himself.
If the Pope, for instance, were to say that the belief in God is false, you would not be obliged to believe him, or if he were to deny the rest of the creed, “I believe in Christ,” etc. The supposition is injurious to the Holy Father in the very idea, but serves to show you the fullness with which the subject has been considered and the ample thought given to every possibility. If he denies any dogma of the Church held by every true believer, he is no more Pope than either you or I; and so in this respect the dogma of infallibility amounts to nothing as an article of temporal government or cover for heresy.
-[Abp. John B. Purcell, quoted in Rev. James J. McGovern, Life and Life Work of Pope Leo XIII [Chicago, IL: Allied Printing, 1903], p. 241; imprimatur by Abp. James Quigley of Chicago]
It seems to me that whatever happened with Honorius can not be compared to the situation we find ourselves in post-Vatican II. Otherwise, Honorius would have been included as an example of a heretic pope in this discussion at Vatican I.
So is it probable that individual members of the faithful are authorized to make the judgment whether the Pontiff is heretic? Are we all left to our consciences in this regard?
oh certainly. We need a Vlad or, honestly, someone much, much worse.
He is the one who treated mooselimbs the worst i have heard of.
If there is some other more deserving of praise, please let me know.
Thanks
There is no else to make the call either, e.g. the CDF head, Muller, is a heretic himself and denies the Bodily Resurrection of Our Lord.
We STILL have not had a pope become a heretic because the post-1958 crop were all formal heretics before being elected, thus their elections were null and void. Ratzinger's works were on the Index as suspect of heresy in the 1950's
Check out section 7 of Cum Ex Apostolatus Officio at the link in comment 40. In it Pope Paul IV says the laity can withdraw with impunity from any heretic pretending to hold authority and can call on the scular government to evict any heretic who refuses to leave.
Section 6 that I posted says even if unanimous election by all cardinals and despite any passage of time the election would still be void.
Even if they were not heretics before their elections and had become heretics after becoming genuine popes, then they still would be out on their rear ends for heresy as the Church teaches - but God saved us fro that as they were inelegible beforehand.
The salvation of souls is the highest law, and anyone who follows and acts on the teaching of these heretical non-popes is jeopardizing his own.
Christ and the Church did provide for this in advance as the teaching is clearly laid out.
Catholics needed to make private judgments during the Great Western Schism. I recognize that this wasn't exactly the same, but there were three papal claimants (granted, every single one of them were actually.....Catholic). During the GWS, Catholics did not wait for the Church to "declare" which one was the true one. They made private judgments as to which one they were going to submit to and which mass they were going to attend. Some of them submitted to the wrong one...even a Catholic that went on to be a great Catholic Saint (Vincent Ferrer). At the time of the GWS, we were in unchartered waters as well and Catholics needed to make private judgments for themselves while they awaited final Church declaration. Keep in mind that before "the Church" can make a declaration each individual makes their own private judgment on the matter.
Also, I find it interesting that Catholics (and I'm not saying you because I have yet to see you imply or say this) here have made their private judgments about me, other posters and whole groups of people who are trying to do their best to follow the Catholic Faith in these trying times. They have used their private judgment to decide that they are not Catholic before the Church has declared them non-Catholic. I wonder how many Catholics called St Vincent Ferrer a non-Catholic for submitting to the wrong pope.
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