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The top 10 lies your Mormon friend is telling you
Exploring Mormonism ^
| April 24, 2016
| by Mithryn
Posted on 04/25/2016 5:29:27 PM PDT by reaganaut
Social media has enabled communication between friends like never before. Its also enabled lies to be spread (and debunked more quickly) than ever before. The lies Mormons tell are typically hold-overs from before Snopes was invented, and most Mormons may not realize they are lying, or simply justify the lie because the church is too good and you, their neighbor, would make such a good member! Next time a member sends you one of these lies, feel free to send them a link to this list.
Also, to you members, before your blood begins to boil on my definition of a lie, Im using the one given in Gospel Principles lesson 31: Honesty
Lying is intentionally deceiving others. Bearing false witness is one form of lying
There are many other forms of lying. When we speak untruths, we are guilty of lying. We can also intentionally deceive others by a gesture or a look, by silence, or by telling only part of the truth. Whenever we lead people in any way to believe something that is not true, we are not being honest.
Lie number 1: Missionaries are there to share a simple message, or are not there to convert you.
Yes, yes, yes. You people who have always seen through this one and thats fair, but the members really think you might believe that the church spends millions of dollars (er, excuse me, the missionaries spend Their own money which they gave to the church and then the church gives them back to live on as well as flight tickets, apartment rentals, utility costs, etc.) just to share a nice message. But the reality is that missionaries are selling a product, and they are measured by the micro-conversions leading up to that product.
Number of messages shared? No one gets credit for that. Number of times you go to church with them, yeah thats a metric, but its a minor one. Baptisms. Its all about baptisms. The numbers reported to the District leader include how many challenges to baptism you made that week. That goes up to a Zone Leader, and that to a Mission President. In the general conference, what number is reported? Number of Convert Baptisms, in front of the whole church, every 6 months. Simple message is a hook. The missionaries use a sales technique they are told is the Commitment pattern but every Vector/Cutco, pest Control, living scripture, or telecommuting sales agent knows it is how to break down barriers and make a sale.
Lie #2: No one is paid in the church
This one is most frequently stated by missionaries who are paying their own way, and dont get me wrong, the missionary force being so devoted and putting so much money in, is remarkable. But just a step or two above every missionary is a man being paid. And yes, its always a man.
Mission Presidents receive above $100,000 a year, the average mission president receives $170k and Ive personally known ones who received $340k. So why the lie? Well, one, it makes the missionaries who are living in dirt-poor conditions in 3rd world countries feel better. Also it lets the church pay one mission president $240k less than other mission presidents.
How do they get away with it? An IRS loophole where the mission president pays for whatever it is first (Say, a maid to clean the house, or Christmas presents, or first class travel for their whole family to a famous tourist attraction in their country
all 100% covered) and the the church reimburses the mission president. So they may not be Paid with a salary, but they do receive compensation for their time. Deceptive no?
Lie #3: Its all about eternal families
Oh, Mormons are big on families, no mistake, as long as you conform. But step out of line and suddenly that eternal family rhetoric becomes something to bludgeon a wayward child over the head with.
For example, the LGBT community in Utah is well aware that the primary cause of homelessness in Utah for teens is being not part of the Gender norm the church dictates
Or if you stop believing: Just this past week, a general authority of the church spoke at BYUs commencement for the need to Disassociate with those who have lost faith
We should disconnect, immediately and completely, from listening to the proselytizing efforts of those who have lost their faith, and instead reconnect promptly with the holy spirit.
SHuuuun
Its all about family as a control mechanism. Now your well-meaning Mormon friend might say that one talk at BYU doesnt constitute what all Mormons believe, but I can give dozens of examples where at conference, from the pulpit prophets have called those who dont believe, Lazy, Darkened, Tools of the Adversary, Foolish, and most recently in the April General Conference by Deiter Uchtdorf, Lacking in integrity. Go ahead and tell your spouse you love them, then call them those names and see if its all fine and dandy. No? Not exactly loving is it?
Lie #4: The Mormon Church was never Racist.
Here is the published church essay, on LDS.org admitting that Leaders of the church caused policy that lasted for a 150 years based on their own racist views. Oh, and the church never told the members about this essay which is kinda dishonest too, so they might be very surprised
In 1852, President Brigham Young publicly announced that men of black African descent could no longer be ordained to the priesthood, though thereafter blacks continued to join the Church through baptism and receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost. Following the death of Brigham Young, subsequent Church presidents restricted blacks from receiving the temple endowment or being married in the temple. Over time, Church leaders and members advanced many theories to explain the priesthood and temple restrictions. None of these explanations is accepted today as the official doctrine of the Church.
Yup, leaders did it, and the church has no idea why; just kept people out of Eternal families and the belief they could get to heaven based on skin color.
Lie #5: Polygamy ended over 100 years ago
This one was told by Gordon B Hinkley on the air waves in the 90s so perhaps the member can be forgiven for not knowing that the last LDS (yes, LDS, not FLDS) polygamous relationship in this life, where two women could be sitting in the pew next to their husband, legitimately LDS and able to go to the temple in the day and have sex together that night, was as late as 1964.
You see, the apostles didnt stop marrying after they church issued a decree in the 1890s that plural marriage was to end. One apostle went so far as to get married in 1905. His wife was 19 years old. And since the church only stopped adding new marriages, they didnt break apart old ones, it turns out that all those sealed before stayed married. The 19 year old who married the apostle Crowley, died in 1964 (and she died early, if she had lived to a full age 1977 would have been easily obtainable). So yes, new marriages were stopped 100 years ago, but kids could grow up in a polygamous home as legitimate LDS members until my generation.
Lie #6: Early marriages were common in the 1800s
So youve known this person for years and had lunch a few times, maybe over for dinner. Finally, for some reason, Helen Mar Kimball or one of the other teenage brides of Joseph Smith (that the church admitted to in this essay, but still hasnt told most of the members about as of this writing, going so far as to leave it off the official list of published essays).
Well, I dont know much about that, says your member friend, The marrying age was a lot younger back then. Its easy to check: http://classroom.synonym.com/age-marriage-us-1800s-23174.html
the average age of a first marriage for men was 26 years, and the average age of marriage for women was 22 years.
Yup, its a known quantity. Easy to verify on half a dozen sites with Google. You see, there is this thing called the Census and it records ages of marriage. This 22 years of age, includes all the Mormon outliers bringing the average age down too!
Lie #7: We dont believe you will go to hell
I am sad to say, Ive said this one myself. The trick is that when Mormons say Hell they typically mean the Bugs Bunny-devil-with-a-pitchfork and hot coals place. So no, they legitimately dont believe that will happen.
Ask them, instead; Do you believe there will be afterlife consequences for me because of my belief, and that those consequences will be worse than yours?
They will answer they do. See they believe youll go to Spirit Prison which is totally different from Hell. Also that there is a place called the telestial kingdom after judgement. Still no coals, but it is a punishment for actions in this life as well as belief.
Me? Oh I get my own Special Hell for those who joined mormonism and then left it. Yes, right there with people who talk in the Theater. Its called Outer Darkness. But they only send family members they love there who rejected the beliefs, see; its all about Eternal Families.
Whats that my Mormon friends? You say that Im still not bad enough to go to Outer Darkness. Well, please tell me which prophet described who will after Brigham, because he sure as hell put me there.
Lie #8: We just want to invite you to the baptism/wedding/church activity because youre a good friend
There is a church doctrine Every member a missionary. They have lessons multiple times a year about inviting friends out or inviting them to meet the missionaries. No joke.
Lie #9: We can think the way we want. We are encouraged to learn and study.
Here is a timeline of thought control in the church. Notice the you can think, but not really talks are more frequent this year than prior years.
So yes, study; but always temper that study with faith, as many many of the quotes say.
Lie #10: Were not anti-science.
Oh yes, I went there. Fun fact, my Grandmother almost dated Philo T. Farnsworth, the inventor of the television (she turned him down). I know that you can rattle off a lot of engineering done by members, or a member of the church who has Science in his title at work. I can even hear you protest I love science!. Thats not what Im talking about.
What Im talking about is that as soon as DNA evidence proves that the Native Americans are not Lamanites, or that Coffee isnt bad for you, or that Noahs world wide flood is not a possibility you dont change your beliefs at all. You dont respect science. But, as soon as Cigarettes are shown to cause cancer youre happy to proclaim Joseph Smiths Word of Wisdom a scientific success. When it was learned that LDS individuals lived 11 years longer than the average, that was added to my missions tracts (yes, this actually occurred and we were told to share it). We werent given the statistical knowledge behind it, it was just a sales pitch. When you claim that marriages are 50% more likely to last in the church or share that article that seems to link the middle east with Native Americans or quote some journal that seems to validate your belief, then you love science. But if it contradicts you, suddenly science is something that takes a back step to faith.
Let me tell you, thats not loving science. Thats abusing science. If it were a person, youd only date them when they told you what you wanted to hear. If they disagreed with you, youd physically shove them to the back of a closet only pulling them out when they agreed to say things you liked.
Please, stop abusing science, and claiming you love it.
There you go, 10 lies that I think just about every LDS Mormon shares. FLDS, Allred Group, and even the community of Christ have a similar list of things they claim too, so I think it fits to ascribe it to all Mormons, but Id need to adjust a few quotes for their particular branch.
Now, share this with your Mormon friend who just told you one of these lies and see how fast they stop sharing things on social media with you.
TOPICS: Apologetics; Charismatic Christian; Evangelical Christian; Ministry/Outreach; Other Christian
KEYWORDS: lds; mormon; utah
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To: bone52
I could introduce you to a whole bunch of non-open borders Utah Mormons.No doubt you could.
Individuals have differing opinions on things.
Unfortunately, many organized religions are very much in support of open borders.
This appears true.
Organizations usually put facts in writing so they'll not be misunderstood.
It's hard to make the apple/orange comparison between what an Individual believes and what an Organization asserts.
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posted on
04/26/2016 4:38:17 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: nevermorelenore
Blasphemous in my worldview ...And in GOD's; too; I'd imagine!
"I am the LORD; that is my name! And my glory will I not give to another...
Isaiah 42:8
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posted on
04/26/2016 4:41:12 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: nevermorelenore
Also, a song came on my Pandora station called, Joseph, praise the man .... really ?
(click)
Praise to the man who communed with Jehovah!
Jesus annointed that Prophet and Seer.
Blessed to open the last dispensation,
Kings shall extol him, and nations revere.
Chorus
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.
Praise to his mem'ry, he died as a martyr;
Honored and blest be his ever great name!
Long shall his blood, which was shed by assasins,
Plead unto heav'n while the earth lauds his fame.
Chorus
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.
Great is his glory and endless his priesthood.
Ever and ever the keys he will hold.
Faithful and true he will enter his kingdom,
Crowned in the midst of the prophets of old.
Chorus
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.
Sacrifice brings forth the blessings of heaven;
Earth must atone for the blood of that man.
Wake up the world for the conflict of justice.
Millions shall know 'Brother Joseph' again.
Chorus
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.
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posted on
04/26/2016 4:42:48 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: elcid1970
True fact: there really is a Scotch distillery in Pakistan. Try finding that in Utah.
Things have been a'changin'!
144
posted on
04/26/2016 4:48:51 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Utah Binger
TADA!!!
145
posted on
04/26/2016 4:50:04 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Utah Binger
146
posted on
04/26/2016 4:53:57 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Smokin' Joe
Well, I only have a couple of Mormon friends, but they never told me any of those. In fact we never much discussed religion at all. They must NOT have been missionaries!
- Learn and obey all missionary rules.
- Keep your thoughts, words, and actions in harmony with the gospel message.
- Read only books, magazines, and other material authorized by the Church.
- Don't debate or argue.
- Center your mind on your mission.
- Dress conservatively. Elders: white shirts, conservative ties, and business suits. Sisters: conservative colors and skirts that cover your knees. No floor-length skirts or dresses.
- Cut your hair regularly.
- Keep your hair clean and neatly combed at all times in the approved style.
- Be neat and clean.
- Bathe frequently.
- Use deodorant.
- Polish your shoes.
- Iron your shirt and business suit.
- Arise at 6:30 A.M.
- Study for 2 hours every morning.
- Proselytize for 10 hours between 9:30 A.M. and 9:30 P.M.
- Turn off your lights at 10:30 P.M.
- Exercise regularly.
- Write in your journal regularly.
- Follow the "Missionary Gospel Study Program" (31157) for your personal study.
- Regularly study the Missionary Guide and the Discussions.
- Attend Sunday priesthood or Relief Society meetings, Sunday School, and sacrament meeting.
- Attend the general session of Stake Conference.
- Attend general conference broadcasts if available.
- Avoid all other church meetings unless you have a special assignment or are brining an investigator.
- Proselytize as much as possible on weekends and holidays because this is when you'll find people home.
- End your preparation day at 6:00 P.M. and proselytize from 6:00 P.M. to 9:30 P.M.
- Wear your missionary uniform in public on preparation day while not engaged in recreational activities.
- Arise at 6:30 on preparation day and study for 2 hours from the approved books.
- Take care of your physical preparation for the week on preparation day: wash your clothes, clean your apartment, wash your car, get your haircut, and shop for groceries.
- Write to your parents every week on preparation day.
- Write less frequently to your siblings, friends, and acquaintances.
- Don't communicate with any friends or acquaintances that are within or close to your mission boundaries, except as a part of official mission business.
- Plan safe, wholesome, and uplifting activities for preparation day.
- Stay with your companion during all activities.
- Do not go on road trips.
- Do not leave your assigned area without permission
- Do not watch television.
- Do not view unauthorized videocassettes.
- Do not listen to the radio.
- Do not listen to unauthorized audiocassettes or CDs.
- Do not participate in musical groups.
- Do not participate in athletic teams.
- Do not sponsor athletic teams.
- Do not engage in contact sports.
- Do not engage in water sports.
- Do not engage in winter sports.
- Do not engage in motorcycling.
- Do not engage in horseback riding.
- Do not engage in mountain climbing.
- Do not embark on a private boat.
- Do not embark in a private airplane.
- Do not handle firearms.
- Do not handle explosives.
- Do not swim.
- Do not play full court basketball.
- Do not play basketball in leagues.
- Do not play basketball in tournaments.
- You may play half-court basketball.
- Never be alone.
- Seek advice from your mission president if your companion is "having difficulties".
- Be loyal to your companion.
- Ask your mission president for help if your companion doesnt obey the rules.
- Pray with your companion every day.
- Study with your companion every day.
- Plan your work with your companion every day.
- Take time at least once a week for companionship inventory.
- Seek to be one in spirit and purpose and help each other succeed.
- Always address your companion as Elder or Sister.
- Sleep in the same bedroom as your companion.
- Do not sleep in the same bed as your companion.
- Do not arise before your companion.
- Do not retire after your companion. (apparently, being together is more important than getting the correct amount of sleep that your unique body requires.)
- Frequently study with your companion the Missionary Guide section on companions.
- Never be alone with anyone of the opposite sex.
- Never associate inappropriately with anyone of the opposite sex (conversely, they don't mention whether or not it is against the rules to associate inappropriately with anyone of the same sex).
- Do not flirt.
- Do not date.
- Do not communicate via phone or letter with anyone of the opposite sex living within or near mission boundaries.
- Do not visit a single or divorced person of the opposite sex unless accompanied by a couple or another adult member of your sex.
- Try to teach single investigators in a members home or have missionaries of the same sex teach them.
- Always follow the above rules, even if the situation seems harmless.
- Use the commitment pattern to get referrals from members.
- Keep your dinner visits with member briefs and during the customary dinner hour in the area.
- Remember to say thank you to those who feed you.
- Visit members and nonmembers only at appropriate times.
- Do not counsel or give medical treatment.
- Do not stay in the homes of people when they are on vacation.
- Only write letters to family members and friends at home.
- Do not telephone parents
- Do not telephone relatives.
- Do not telephone friends.
- Do not telephone girlfriends.
- Contact your mission president in case of an emergency.
- Take problems and questions to your mission president.
- Do not write to the President of the Church or to other General Authorities. Letters from missionaries to General Authorities are referred back to the mission president
- Respect the customs, traditions, and property of the people who you are trying to convert.
- Obey all mission rules.
- Obey the laws of the land.
- Do not get involved in politics.
- Do not get involved in commercial activities.
- Do not give any information about the area.
- Respect the customs and cultures of those who you are trying to convert to your own customs and culture.
- Respect the beliefs, practices, and sites of other religions.
- Do not say or write anything bad about the political and cultural circumstances where you serve.
- Do not become involved in adoption proceedings.
- Do not suggest or encourage emigration. (This rule is a bit ironic, given the now-defunct doctrine of gathering the believers to Zion)
- Be courteous.
- Provide community service.
- Do not provide community service that isnt approved by your mission president.
- Do not provide more than 4 hours a week of community service.
- Do not provide community service during the evening, weekend or holidaysthose are peek proselytizing times.
- Your mission president must approve your housing.
- Keep your housing unit clean.
- Do not live with single or divorced people of the opposite sex.
- Do not live where the spouse is frequently absent.
- Your living unit must have a private bath and entrance.
- You may occasionally fast for a special reason, but generally the monthly fast is sufficient.
- Do not fast longer than 24 hours at a time.
- Do not ask friends, relatives, and members to join in special fasts for investigators.
- Maintain your health.
- Eat a healthy diet.
- Sleep from 10:30 to 6:30.
- Follow the approved exercise program.
- Keep your body, clothes, dishes, linens, towels and housing unit clean.
- Dispose of your garbage properly and promptly.
- Follow the safety rules for all of your stuff.
- Seek medical care if you are in an accident or become sick.
- Be immunized.
- Spend your money only on things relating to your mission.
- Budget your money carefully.
- Keep a record of what you spend.
- Do not spend more than your companion.
- Do not loan money.
- Do not borrow money.
- Keep a reserve fund of $50 to $100 at all times for transfers.
- Pay your bills before leaving an area.
- Pay cash for all resale literature and supplies ordered from the mission office.
- Do not waste money on souvenirs.
- Do not waste money on unnecessary items.
- Be a frugal photographer.
- Do not accumulate excess baggage.
- Obey custom laws and regulations.
- Pay fast offerings each fast Sunday to the bishop or branch president where you serve.
- Pay tithing on outside sources of income (i.e. interest) to your home bishop or branch president.
- Evaluate your funds a few months before the end of your mission. If you have more than you need, ask that less be sent so that you can return home without excess money.
- Do not drive without a license.
- Drive only Church-owned vehicles.
- Do not drive members cars.
- Do not drive nonmembers cars.
- Do not give rides to members or investigators in Church-owned cars.
- Use cars only on approved mission business.
- Use cars only within the assigned geographical area.
- Be conscious of safety at all times.
- Drive defensively.
- Wear your seat belt.
- Pray for the Lords protection while driving.
- If your companion is driving, assist him or her.
- Do not tamper with the vehicles odometer.
- Know bicycle safety rules.
- Use extreme caution on your bicycle.
- Do not ride your bicycle after dark.
- Do not ride your bicycle in heavy traffic.
- Do not ride your bicycle in adverse weather conditions.
- Go directly to your new area when transferred.
- Find your new companion without delay when transferred.
- Have a maximum of two suitcases and a briefcase.
147
posted on
04/26/2016 4:56:31 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: reaganaut
What about the magic hat crap? It’s no different than Scientologists omitting the part about the galactic dictator, Xenu.
148
posted on
04/26/2016 4:56:40 AM PDT
by
King Moonracer
(Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
To: Elsie
Hard liquor and coffee...
SURELY Mormonism has some kind of opinion on these; right?
THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
SECTION 89
Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Kirtland, Ohio, February 27, 1833. HC 1: 327329. As a consequence of the early brethren using tobacco in their meetings, the Prophet was led to ponder upon the matter; consequently he inquired of the Lord concerning it. This revelation, known as the Word of Wisdom, was the result. The first three verses were originally written as an inspired introduction and description by the Prophet.
19, Use of wine, strong drinks, tobacco, and hot drinks proscribed; 1017, Herbs, fruits, flesh, and grain are ordained for the use of man and of animals; 1821, Obedience to gospel law, including the Word of Wisdom, brings temporal and spiritual blessings.
1
A aWord OF Wisdom, for the benefit of the council of high priests, assembled in Kirtland, and the church, and also the saints in Zion
2 To be sent greeting; not by commandment or constraint, but by revelation and the
aword of wisdom, showing forth the order and
bwill of God in the temporal salvation of all saints in the last days
3 Given for a principle with
apromise, adapted to the capacity of the
bweak and the weakest of all
csaints, who are or can be called saints.
4 Behold, verily, thus saith the Lord unto you: In consequence of
aevils and designs which do and will exist in the hearts of
bconspiring men in the last days, I have
cwarned you, and forewarn you, by giving unto you this
word of wisdom by revelation
5 That inasmuch as
any man adrinketh bwine or strong drink among you, behold it is not good, neither meet in the sight of your Father, only in assembling yourselves together to offer up your sacraments before him.
6 And, behold, this should be wine, yea,
apure wine of the grape of the vine, of your own make.
7 And, again,
astrong drinks are not for the belly,
but for the washing of your bodies.
8 And again, tobacco is not for the
abody, neither for the belly, and is not good for man, but is an herb for bruises and all sick cattle, to be used with judgment and skill.
9 And again, hot drinks are not for the body or belly.
10 And again, verily I say unto you, all wholesome
aherbs God hath ordained for the constitution, nature, and use of man
11 Every herb in the season thereof, and every fruit in the season thereof; all these to be used with
aprudence and
bthanksgiving.
12 Yea,
aflesh also of
bbeasts and of the fowls of the air, I, the Lord, have ordained for the use of man with thanksgiving; nevertheless they are to be used
csparingly;
13 And it is pleasing unto me that they should not be
aused, only in times of winter, or of cold, or
bfamine.
14 All
agrain is ordained for the use of man and of beasts, to be the staff of life, not only for man but for the beasts of the field, and the fowls of heaven, and all wild animals that run or creep on the earth;
15 And
athese hath God made for the use of man only in times of famine and excess of hunger.
16 All grain is good for the
afood of man; as also the
bfruit of the vine; that which yieldeth fruit, whether in the ground or above the ground
17 Nevertheless, wheat for man, and corn for the ox, and oats for the horse, and rye for the fowls and for swine, and for all beasts of the field, and barley for all useful animals, and for mild drinks, as also other grain.
18 And all saints who remember to keep and do these sayings, walking in obedience to the commandments,
ashall receive
bhealth in their navel and marrow to their bones;
20 And shall
arun and not be
bweary, and shall walk and not faint.
21 And I, the Lord, give unto them a promise, that the
adestroying angel shall
bpass by them, as the children of Israel, and not slay them. Amen.
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posted on
04/26/2016 4:59:07 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Elsie
Hard liquor and coffee... SURELY Mormonism has some kind of opinion on these; right?
I found ONE (verse 7) but NOT the other.
HMMMmmm...
150
posted on
04/26/2016 5:00:14 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Elsie
Well; the weather has warmed up in Utah for the summer.
Now there’ll be NO backyard BBQin’ goin’ on amoung the TR holders ‘til it gets COLD again (verse 13).
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posted on
04/26/2016 5:02:28 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Elsie
I wonder how many Mormons go NUTS trying to live by their scriptures??
What's for dinner?
D&C 49:18-19 18 And whoso forbiddeth to abstain from meats, that man should not eat the same, is not ordained of God; 19 For, behold, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the air, and that which cometh of the earth, is ordained for the use of man for food and for raiment, and that he might have in abundance. |
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D&C 89:12-13
12 Yea, flesh also of beasts and of the fowls of the air, I, the Lord, have ordained for the use of man with thanksgiving; nevertheless they are to be used sparingly; 13 And it is pleasing unto me that they should not be used, only in times of winter, or of cold, or famine.
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152
posted on
04/26/2016 5:03:59 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Elsie
I didn’t ask, they didn’t tell. LOL!
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posted on
04/26/2016 5:23:32 AM PDT
by
Smokin' Joe
(How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
To: RedWulf
My friend’s father in law, a Mormon, embezzled money from his business.
The Mormons hustled the father in law out of the country on a “mission trip”, just before he could be interviewed/deposed.
So yeah, lots of 60 year old men go on mission trips.
Then the judge, a Mormon, threw my friend in jail for a month on contempt of court charges.
154
posted on
04/26/2016 9:56:09 AM PDT
by
T-Bone Texan
(Don't be a lone wolf. Form up small leaderlesss cells ASAP !)
To: Elsie
My takeaway is that the Mormon god is OK with half-court basketball, but if you mess with a vehicle’s odometer you’re going straight to hell!
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posted on
04/26/2016 10:16:52 AM PDT
by
T-Bone Texan
(Don't be a lone wolf. Form up small leaderlesss cells ASAP !)
To: Elsie
"...11 Every herb in the season thereof, and every fruit in the season thereof; all these to be used with prudence and thanksgiving..." SO the Mormon god wants me to smoke pot, but in moderation. Got it, thanks.
Does God condone vaping pot rather than smoking it? Because, you know, it is a healthier alternative, and the technology did not exist back when the Mormon stuff was being written, so I seek clarification.
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posted on
04/26/2016 10:20:29 AM PDT
by
T-Bone Texan
(Don't be a lone wolf. Form up small leaderlesss cells ASAP !)
To: T-Bone Texan
...if you mess with a vehicles odometer youre going straight to hell! See reply #86
157
posted on
04/26/2016 11:00:58 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: T-Bone Texan
158
posted on
04/26/2016 11:03:09 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Tammy8
I generally agree with what your LDS friend said - the LDS church does NOT support deportation. One difference I have is that I do not think the LDS church is opposed to secure borders.
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posted on
04/26/2016 11:34:51 AM PDT
by
bone52
To: teppe; reaganaut; All
Auditioning for Godhood? Im 55 and have been LDS my whole life and I have no Idea what you are talking about. My goal in life as a Mormon is to humble myself before my Heavenly Father and follow his commandments to the best of my ability while seeking forgiveness of my sins through the atoning blood of Jesus Christ. If this is in someway unacceptable behavior to you, the I am sorry. I am firm in my conviction that it is acceptable to my Heavenly Father.Hmmm....
Some Mormons deny that Lds teach that you "get your own world as a god." For the scoop, see Mormon Professors Confuse Doctrine and Rumor (especially note post #5 of that thread) Here is a sample quotation from a Mormon "prophet": To become like him we must have ALL the powers of godhood; thus a man and his wife when glorified will have spirit children who eventually will go on an EARTH LIKE THIS ONE WE ARE ON and pass through the same kind of experiences, being subject to mortal conditions, and if faithful, then they also will receive the fullness of exaltation and partake of the same blessings. There is no end to this development; it will go on forever. WE WILL BECOME gods and HAVE JURISDICTION OVER WORLDS, AND THESE WORLDS WILL BE PEOPLED BY OUR OWN OFFSPRING. WE WILL HAVE AN ENDLESS ETERNITY FOR THIS." Source: Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, 2:48, as cited by The Mormon Churchs annual Melchizedek Priesthood Personal Study Guide, 1978-79, p. 131 |
Eternal life
In fact
means exaltation. He who receives the greatest portion of eternal life becomes a God. (Milton R. Hunter, an LDS Seventy, The Gospel Through the Ages, p. 11) |
Exaltation means godhood, creatorship. As man now is, God once was; as God now is, man may be (The Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, p. 53) |
immortality is to live forever in the resurrected state, and by the grace of God all men will gain this unending continuance of life. But ONLY THOSE who obey the fullness of the gospel law will inherit eternal life. (D&C 29:43-44)
it is the kind, status, type, and quality of life that God himself enjoys. Thus those who gain eternal life receive exaltation; they are sons of God, joint-heirs with Christ
they overcome all things, have all power, and receive the fullness of the Father. THEY ARE GODS. Lds "apostle" Bruce R. McConkie, p. 237, 1979 ed. |
ALL: Joseph Fielding Smith was part of the infamous Smith clan...no small authority. He was the 10th "prophet" of the Lds sect. Kimball was the 12th "prophet" of said same sect.
So here we have four general authorities above teaching how Lds can become "gods" -- and yet this FREEPER claims he's never heard of such a teaching?
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