Posted on 04/08/2016 7:34:38 AM PDT by Salvation
‘They don’t need no steenkin’ Koine Greek, they got the magicsteeringem!’
We are admonished to do so.
Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth. 2 Timothy 2:15 NASB
And we see how well that’s working!
Can you enter heaven if you do not know God?
I’d say you don’t know your Rosary.
Stay strong my FRiend .... I'm not sure I could do it
Are you sure that the doubters believe?
From the posters here, many do not believe in the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist. Many posters can quote scripture without the full message.
The rest of the story (John 6:53-70)
Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you. 54Whoever eats* my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. 55For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. 56Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.
57Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me.b 58This is the bread that came down from heaven. Unlike your ancestors who ate and still died, whoever eats this bread will live forever.” 59These things he said while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum.
The Words of Eternal Life.* 60Then many of his disciples who were listening said, “This saying is hard; who can accept it?” 61Since Jesus knew that his disciples were murmuring about this, he said to them, “Does this shock you?
62What if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before?* 63It is the spirit that gives life, while the flesh* is of no avail. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and life. 64But there are some of you who do not believe.” Jesus knew from the beginning the ones who would not believe and the one who would betray him.c 65And he said, “For this reason I have told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by my Father.”
66As a result of this, many [of] his disciples returned to their former way of life and no longer accompanied him. 67Jesus then said to the Twelve, “Do you also want to leave?” 68Simon Peter answered him, “Master, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69We have come to believe and are convinced that you are the Holy One of God.”d 70Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you twelve? Yet is not one of you a devil?”
You can rail all you want about what you claim it means to say that and what someone who isn't playing your games means when they refuse to answer to you, but NOTHING can change the fact of what is written.
John 2:1 On the third day there was a wedding at Cana in Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there.
John 2:3 When the wine ran out, the mother of Jesus said to him, “They have no wine.”
Acts 1:14 All these with one accord were devoting themselves to prayer, together with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and his brothers.
The phrase *mother of God* is not found anywhere in Scripture.
The phrase "the mother of Jesus Christ Our Lord and God" is not found anywhere in Scripture.
Why do you keep adding to or changing GOD'S word? Is it not good enough for you? Do you think that you can improve on it?
2 Timothy 3:14-17 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.
Or is she the mother of the man Jesus?
So Jesus is a man in your book?
Then you are denying the divinity of Jesus by claiming that the title that the Holy Spirit gave Mary ways that Jesus was only a man.
Will you deny Him before man?
I am not denying Christ. He is my Lord and Savior. I have accepted Him as such and am trusting Him fully for my salvation.
YES! See it’s not about Mary, it’s about what you believe about Jesus Christ. Is Mary the mother of Jesus Christ Our Lord and God?
But the Catholic church makes it about Mary.
By removing the name of Jesus from HER identifier, it removes Jesus from the equation. There's no way that calling her *mother of God* would tell ANYONE unfamiliar with Christianity about the nature and character of Jesus because that title is about HER NOT Jesus.
There were several Mary's listed in Scripture and the Holy Spirit saw fit to identify her as *mother of Jesus*. To identify HER, not Jesus.
If you want to know about Jesus, you go to the Word.
If the Catholic church considers going to the Word and relying on it as heresy, then it condemns itself as heretical as well because it claims not only that it depends on the word, but that it WROTE the word. That it is the source of the word.
If depending on it solely or heavily is heresy, the taking credit for it's existence is also heresy.
And if you reject Scripture and dependence on it as heretical, then what's left? The early church fathers? The sinking sand of the opinions of men?
And yet, since they claim to be dependent on the Word as well, then you've just damned them as heretical.
So then what is Catholicism based on?
Consensus? Feelings? Word of mouth aka "sacred tradition"
If the unchanging written word is not good enough, then how is 2,000 years of playing telephone?
Followers of men rather than God.
If you are putting the works and decisions of men about God's word, you are in really BIG trouble.
Whatever happened to believing the words of Jesus? HE said.....
John 17:17 Sanctify them in the truth; your word is truth.
TRUTH.
It sanctifies us.
And you're calling it heretical?
I suppose it is heretical to Catholicism to disagree with it but Truth is Truth, and since Catholicism apparently doesn't depend on it or agree with it, then Catholicism is certainly NOT based on truth.
And you expect to get to heaven just how then, if you reject God and His word?
God tells us that .....
2 Timothy 3:14-17 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.
And Catholics come along and tell us that depending on it is heretical? It's not good enough? You need the opinions of men to put over it so you don't fall into the error of depending on what GOD has so richly provided us with?
I sure hope that you don't think that God is pleased with or impressed with that line of thinking.
And wikipedia! Don't forget that authoritative source.
Blows the whole * must eat the literal flesh and blood of Jesus to have eternal life* interpretation out of the water.
Right there He says Himself the the SPIRIT gives life, the flesh is no help at all.
Eating the flesh is NOT going to help.
Don't you believe the words of Jesus?
And why ignore the whole Bible's worth of prohibition against eating blood?
In the OT sacrifices that foreshadowed the sacrifice of Jesus, the blood was NEVER to be eaten, and it is one of the few OT prohibitions reiterated to the church at the Council of Jerusalem.
Don't eat the blood, the life is in the blood
Genesis 9:4 But you shall not eat flesh with its life , that is, its blood.
Leviticus 3:17 It shall be a statute forever throughout your generations, in all your dwelling places, that you eat neither fat nor blood.”
Leviticus 7:26-27 Moreover, you shall eat no blood whatever, whether of fowl or of animal, in any of your dwelling places. Whoever eats any blood, that person shall be cut off from his people.”
Leviticus 17:10-14 “If any one of the house of Israel or of the strangers who sojourn among them eats any blood, I will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from among his people. For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it for you on the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement by the life. Therefore I have said to the people of Israel, No person among you shall eat blood, neither shall any stranger who sojourns among you eat blood.
“Any one also of the people of Israel, or of the strangers who sojourn among them, who takes in hunting any beast or bird that may be eaten shall pour out its blood and cover it with earth. For the life of every creature is its blood: its blood is its life. Therefore I have said to the people of Israel, You shall not eat the blood of any creature, for the life of every creature is its blood. Whoever eats it shall be cut off.
Leviticus 19:26 “You shall not eat any flesh with the blood in it. You shall not interpret omens or tell fortunes.
Deuteronomy 12:16 Only you shall not eat the blood ; you shall pour it out on the earth like water.
Deuteronomy 12:23 Only be sure that you do not eat the blood, for the blood is the life , and you shall not eat the life with the flesh.
Deuteronomy 15:23 Only you shall not eat its blood; you shall pour it out on the ground like water.
Acts 15:12-29 And all the assembly fell silent, and they listened to Barnabas and Paul as they related what signs and wonders God had done through them among the Gentiles. After they finished speaking, James replied, “Brothers, listen to me. Simeon has related how God first visited the Gentiles, to take from them a people for his name. And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written,
“‘After this I will return, and I will rebuild the tent of David that has fallen; I will rebuild its ruins, and I will restore it, that the remnant of mankind may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles who are called by my name, says the Lord, who makes these things known from of old.’
Therefore my judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God, but should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood. For from ancient generations Moses has had in every city those who proclaim him, for he is read every Sabbath in the synagogues.”
Then it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole church, to choose men from among them and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They sent Judas called Barsabbas, and Silas, leading men among the brothers, with the following letter:
“The brothers, both the apostles and the elders, to the brothers who are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia, greetings. Since we have heard that some persons have gone out from us and troubled you with words, unsettling your minds, although we gave them no instructions, it has seemed good to us, having come to one accord, to choose men and send them to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who themselves will tell you the same things by word of mouth. For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements: that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.”
Matthew 26:29 I tell you I will not drink again of this fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.”
Mark 14:25 Truly, I say to you, I will not drink again of the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new in the kingdom of God.”
Luke 22:18 For I tell you that from now on I will not drink of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.”
John 6:63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
Jesus could not have broken the Law and could not have demanded that people break the Law by demanding that they eat blood.
Did you notice that in that whole rambling post you never actually identified Jesus Christ as God? The word Trinity is not found anywhere in Sacred Scripture either, will you deny that doctrine as well?
Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior, and God. Will you say the same?
rwa265: I’d say you don’t know your Rosary. (Post #485)
Big deal.
...Hail Holy Mary . . .
(Fixed that. Still, saying it a billion times wrong doesn't make it right, do they?)
The Nestorians may have divided Jesus The Christ wrong, but I say you divide the Scriptures wrong.
Getting ready to carve up Gaul for his history narrative, Julius Caesar began with,"Omnia Gallia in tres partes divisa est." That is, all of Gaul was divided into three contiguous parts.
Similarly, from the view if the Cross experience, one might say, "Omnus Christus in quattuor partes divisa est."
At the Cross, the God-man Jesus was divided into four parts, each of which wound up in a different sphere:
(a) His spirit was yielded up into the Hands of The Father (Luke 23:46).
(b) His soul went to Paradise at that time (Luke 23:43)
(c) His lifeless body went into a rock tomb (Luke 23:52,53).
(d) His incorruptible blood (1 Peter 1:18-19) containing life (Leviticus 17:11), together with built-up thoracic/pericardial edema fluids, poured out of His wounded body onto the ground (John 19:33-34).
Now, I ask you three questions:
(1) How much of the integrated person, body, soul, and spirit, was begotten of Mary, and how much was begotten of The Father; that is, of Him, how much was she the mother as a contributor to any part of Him?
(2) What form of Jesus' body do you insist is to be found in the "bread"? (a) His pre-death body; (b) His dead body in the tomb; or (c) His post-resurrection and ascended body He now inhabits.
(3) What do we do about His Blood, if we keep making more and more of it by converting ordinary wine (with a high percentage of alcohol for Catholics and Lutherans), since it is incorruptible, and ought to just keep building up and up and up, even though passing through the human digestive tract?
Take your time, and make sure you've got this all right with the published material in the Catechism, eh?
(And let me say, I don't have a problem about explaining any of it in a reasonable, scripturally-acceptable way. You first.)
Having been saved by Jesus, when did that permanent transition from "lost" to irreversibly "saved" occur, or is your status not yet completely secure?
Here’s where Catholics get into trouble, they repeat, Hail Mary; Mother of GOD, over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over until it is stuck FIRMLY into their minds.
While...
Rome uses Sacred Scripture as part of their source and build from bits and pieces found therein.
Along with visitations and apparitions; of course.
Turn your nuttiness towards THESE folks; who are happily used as cannon fodder in the ATTACK on Protestantism.
Now... there are Catholics (so called) who are out and out heretics as well in that they neither understand nor care to understand Who Jesus Christ is.
Oh?
Are you trying to say that Jesus is NOT "Our Lord"?
Elizabeth had no problem with that!
Luke 1:43 NIV
But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
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