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Pope, Ecumenical Patriarch and Greek Church head to visit refugees on Lesbos
The Sofia Globe ^ | 04-06-2016 | Staff

Posted on 04/06/2016 2:56:43 PM PDT by NRx

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To: ebb tide

That “pathetic state religion” suffered ten million or more Martyrs under the Communists. You can post all of the blasphemous pictures you want. Russia is a country whose soil is soaked in the blood of Martyrs.


21 posted on 04/06/2016 7:02:32 PM PDT by NRx (It's sad when there is no one running for President that I can vote for with a clear conscience.)
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To: NRx; Kolokotronis
So to answer your question, yes, it is tolerated as part of the authoritative canons promulgated by the Ecumenical Councils in conformity with Scripture and recognized by the Orthodox "church".

It is not tolerated, not in conformity with scripture, nor accepted by God, you cherry-pickers:

Hebrews 13:4

Marriage honourable in all, and the bed undefiled. For fornicators and adulterers God will judge.

Matthew 19:6

Therefore now they are not two, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let no man put asunder.

Do you orthodox realize you became Protestants, long before Luther was even born?

22 posted on 04/06/2016 7:49:53 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: NRx
Oh noes! They're pandering to actual Lesbians now!!!

;-)

23 posted on 04/06/2016 7:51:09 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The "end of history" will be worldwide Judaic Theocracy.)
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To: NRx; Kolokotronis

That “pathetic state religion” is murdering Catholics, with Putin’s army behind them to this very day in Ukraine.


24 posted on 04/06/2016 7:56:32 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: NRx; Kolokotronis
History of the German Catholics and their Priests in Russia

Ukrainian crisis may split Russian Orthodox church

25 posted on 04/06/2016 8:48:53 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: NRx; ebb tide; Kolokotronis
St. Paul adds another reason for divorce – abandonment (1 Corinthians 7:10-15).

Where does St Paul say divorce is allowed here? He speaks of allowing separation, not divorce.

26 posted on 04/07/2016 2:37:48 AM PDT by piusv (The Spirit of Christ hasn't refrained from using separated churches as means of salvation:VII heresy)
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To: ebb tide

Since you are ignoring the clear language of scripture and arguing that the Ecumenical Councils erred I’d say that Rome is the original Protestant sect. Your heresy even goes so far as to unilaterally inserting heretical language into the Creed.

I notice you have a lot of hangups with modernism. Most of us would agree with that, though we would date the problem a little earlier than you Latins do. It didn’t start in the 19th century. It started in the 9th.

Modernism: Thy home is Rome.


27 posted on 04/07/2016 6:14:11 AM PDT by NRx (It's sad when there is no one running for President that I can vote for with a clear conscience.)
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To: piusv

The two were one in the same in those days. The legal distinction between separation and divorce is a modern construct.


28 posted on 04/07/2016 6:17:13 AM PDT by NRx (It's sad when there is no one running for President that I can vote for with a clear conscience.)
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To: NRx

Do Orthodox Christians require civil divorce proceedings from the state?

Freegards


29 posted on 04/07/2016 6:23:00 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Ransomed

No. Civil proceedings are not Church’s concern. However the Church does require that civil law be respected in all cases where it does not clearly contradict Church teaching (i.e. abortion etc.). Most of the local Orthodox Church’s have their own guidelines for handling divorce and remarriage.


30 posted on 04/07/2016 6:31:18 AM PDT by NRx (It's sad when there is no one running for President that I can vote for with a clear conscience.)
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To: NRx

I not only do not ignore Scripture, I quoted it in post #22.

You schismatics set the precedent for Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, Henry VIII, et al. And you seem to be proud of it. You all recognize the mortal sin of adultery as acceptable and normal.


31 posted on 04/07/2016 6:35:02 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

Since I also cited the Holy Canons of the Ecumenical Councils, I’d say your interpretation of Scripture is in error. Rome has been wallowing in heresy for so long that the Ecumenical Councils have no meaning to you.


32 posted on 04/07/2016 6:48:27 AM PDT by NRx (It's sad when there is no one running for President that I can vote for with a clear conscience.)
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To: NRx

Makes sense, since civil law changes so fast and is so variable between states. So in areas where the civil divorce or annulment law wouldn’t allow for divorces where the religious exceptions allow, what would happen in the case of religious remarriage?

FReegards


33 posted on 04/07/2016 7:15:28 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Ransomed

The priest would obviously not be able to sign a civil marriage certificate. It’s hard for me to imagine a situation where a priest would perform a marriage ceremony for anyone who was still married in the eyes of the state to another party. However some Orthodox priests are refusing to sign marriage certificates due to the gay marriage thing. They don’t want to be put in a position where they could be compelled as “agents of the state” to do something contrary to the clear teaching of the Church. I have heard through the grapevine that ROCOR has ceased signing marriage certificates altogether.


34 posted on 04/07/2016 7:27:03 AM PDT by NRx (It's sad when there is no one running for President that I can vote for with a clear conscience.)
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To: Ransomed

As a followup I would note that the Church’s tolerance for divorce is far more limited than any state laws in the United States.


35 posted on 04/07/2016 7:30:58 AM PDT by NRx (It's sad when there is no one running for President that I can vote for with a clear conscience.)
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To: NRx
That's your problem. I never “interperated” Scripture. I merely quoted Scripture, verbatim.

It is you schismatics and protestants who take it upon themselves to "interpret" Scripture to suit your own lustful wants.

36 posted on 04/07/2016 7:48:20 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: NRx

Neither of you scripture sources addresses, let alone allows,
“remarriage”.

And how did you schismatics come up with the maximum number of three marriages? Why not two, or four, or seven marriages?


37 posted on 04/07/2016 8:04:24 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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38 posted on 04/07/2016 8:11:14 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The "end of history" will be worldwide Judaic Theocracy.)
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To: NRx

“However some Orthodox priests are refusing to sign marriage certificates due to the gay marriage thing.”

Right I recall that story, very cool in my opinion. So it would have to work the other way, I reckon. If the state refused to marry someone, and the Orthodox understanding said they should be able to marry or remarry, logic would say they would have to do it. Which would be illegal to my understanding if they were still acting as agents of the state in other civil marriages where they agreed with the civil law.

Freegards


39 posted on 04/07/2016 8:21:56 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: NRx

No doubt, but like I said civil law is only ever going to be whatever pols, judges, or the voting majority think it should be at any one time. It could be good or bad, but it’s probably not going to stay the same. Heck no one would have predicted something called ‘gay marriage’ being accepted 100 years ago, and polygamy still being out.

Freegards


40 posted on 04/07/2016 8:25:47 AM PDT by Ransomed
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