Pope St. Pius V
Humble Jorge welcoming invading muslims on the shores of Italy.
Posted on 01/31/2016 9:34:44 PM PST by ebb tide
He is one of the few bishops present at Family Day, perhaps the only one. Without fear of exposing himself or of being criticized by the other bishops, alongside the families, saying no to the Cirinna Bill on civil unions and with an appeal to the President of the Republic, [he says]: "I hope that the Bill will be examined by the Head of State, Sergio Mattarella and that he doesn't sign the decree: it is in conflict with article 29 of the Constitution which states that the family is based on matrimony."
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Interview with the only Bishop to take part at Rome's "Family Day" - "It's easy for the other bishops not to be here"
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And where was the “Bishop of Rome”?
What the heck is this about? Is this an Italian government action, or a Catholic Church action? I’m surmising that it is about gay marriage.
Didn’t the Pope just speak out about that, saying that civil unions can never be put on the same footing as marriage between a man and a woman?
I am not Catholic. I am Fundamental Independent Baptist.
But if a Bishop of the Church has to hide his identity because the other “Princes” of the Church will “criticize” him for being at an event supporting the God-Ordained sacrament of marriage, then the Catholic Church is in serious and deep trouble.
It’s less the Church being in trouble than Francis being in trouble.
He is openly encouraging talk of how to depose a heretical pope.
And I keep thinking of Benedict XVI in the background and wonder if he hasn’t some public part to play in all of this still.
Dunno. I've never said Francis is a great Pope. He's clearly not; we have frankly been spoiled by Benedict and St John Paul. We tend to forget that.
I've said before I'll say again: the Church survived the Borgia Popes (PRE-Vatican II by the way) She will survive Francis. And no, Francis is not as bad as they were.
Now you are faulting Pope Francis for not doing what no Bishop of Rome has ever done? Namely, get involved in street demonstrations? Did Pius V, or Pius IX, X, XI, or XII? Did Benedict XV or XVI?
It is utterly foolish to set up Your Own Personal Interpretation of Job Criteria for popes consisting of novelties (e.g. a presumed pontifical obligation to participate in a "manif," a street march), and then fault the pope for not carrying it out. Then you minimize what he DID do, which was to speak out in favor of the uniqueness of Natural and Sacramental Marriage a week before the demonstration.
Pope Francis warned against giving same-sex civil unions the same status as traditional families, speaking at the Vatican's Roman Rota tribunal the week before the Civil Union demonstrations:
The pope said:
"There can be no confusion between the family as willed by God, and every other type of union".
"The Church continues to propose marriage in its essentials --- offspring, good of the couple, unity, indissolubility, sacramentality --- not as ideal only for a few --- notwithstanding modern models centered on the ephemeral and the transient --- but as a reality that can be experienced by all the baptized faithful."
That's what Pope Francis said. I don't fault him for it.
There are 5100 bishops in the Catholic Church. A whole tasseled passel of them work in Vatican City and the City of Rome: and all the dicasteries, secretariats, tribunals, all the dang Curial congregations, are headed up by bishops. Where were they, those 5099 delinquent Waldoes? Where was Burke, your hero and mine?
No, no, leave off this foolish line of argumentation. It's middle-school clericalism. Let the Pope pope, let the Bishops bishop. And let the laity run our own demonstrations. This is our area of competence: action in the world.
The transformation of this world in Christ --- including political transformation, with demonstrations, lobbying groups, political parties, elections and all the rest --- does not need clerical leadership. It is our real sphere of competence, our responsibility. It is time for us, the laity, to grow up.
Tell me which countries were voting on legalized sodomite civil unions during the reigns of the popes who you have mentioned.
Francis didn't even have to leave the papal apartments to open his window over St. Peter's square and give encouragement to these faithful Catholics. Nor, did he send a letter or video of support to them.
Absolutely pathetic.
Did Pope St.Pius V not publicly call for Catholic forces to defend Europe from the invading muslims. Did he not publicly call for all Catholics to pray for victory? Bergoglio is a disgrace.
Pope St. Pius V
Humble Jorge welcoming invading muslims on the shores of Italy.
Poor Ebb Tide doesn’t like any of the Pope’s after 1960.I keep him-her with me in my prayers.
Why give any status at all to sodomite unions?
Save them. Pray for Francis.
You keep stating this falsehood.
Tell me, which pope died in 1960?
Did you like St John Paul 11?
There is no John Paul 11.
In other words, one reason might be for the sake of civil justice regarding shared financial assets: insurance, pensions, property, benefits and the like. Some non-married adults sharing life, assets and domicile may never had a relationship that was sexual in nature (e.g. the caregiver with the terminally ill loved one). Likwise, some may have become a "couple" years before, based on a prohibited sexual relationship, but the relationship has long since ceased being based on sexual activity because they are old or ailing, and remain together for mutual support.
Thus the idea that Civil Union = sodomites, and nobody else, may not always be the case, according to the above author. And in these cases, the point of the legislation would be to allow a more just settlement of property and benefit claims for people who share a significant union of lives and assets.
It is absolutely pathetic when one is expected to have to interpret his own pope.
How do you feel about legalized polygamy? That would fall under the same umbrella of "survivors' benefits", wouldn't it?
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