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A comparison of Mohammad with one of Jesus’ key disciples, Peter:-h

Posted on 01/29/2016 7:22:18 PM PST by ekeni

How does Mohammad rate as a “prophet” or “messenger” of God A comparison of Mohammad with one of Jesus’ key disciples, Peter:-how does he rate as a “prophet” or “messenger” of God Whilst many in the West focus by the violence of Islamists it provides an opportunity to reflect upon the relative status of Mohammad, the role model of Muslims according to the Quran( Suras 33:6,33:21 & 68:4).

What about the disciples of Jesus? Does Mohammad measure up to say Peter? Peter was a self-proclaimed Christian, and Mohammad a Muslim. Since Mohammad claimed Jesus was a “Muslim” prophet then it is quite reasonable to compare Mohammad with Peter, a follower of Jesus .Peter is mentioned in Life of Mohammad ed Ishaq (trans Guillaume) at p653. What struck me are some similarities between Mohammad and Peter, and some major differences. Muslim readers (who have not had an apoplectic reaction already) should know that the references to Mohammad’s sayings and behaviour are sourced from authoritative Islamic texts, not from non-Muslims.

Belief Both Peter and Mohammad believed in one God. Both acknowledged they were sinful men (Gospel of Luke 5:8 in relation to Peter; Suras 47:19 and 47:2 in relation to Mohammad). Both sought forgiveness. Peter was one of the twelve disciples of Jesus, and one of the Apostles of the early Christian church.

Denials Peter denied he knew Jesus three times before Jesus’ crucifixion. He did this out of fear (Gospel of Matthew 26:71-75).

Mohammad alleged (or the Koranic author alleged) the crucifixion never occurred (Sura 4:157). Mohammad in one sense denied Allah’s supposed pre eminent status for a time and flirted with al Lat and al Uzza (Life of Mohammad ed Ishaq at pp165-6).

Lying Both Peter and Mohammad lied although Peter lied to save his skin whereas Mohammad also lied and approved lying with the purpose of having his critics murdered. One example is Mohammad giving permission to Mohammad b. Maslana to lie so he could gain access to Ibnu’l Ashraf (a poet). The killing was said to have cast terror among the Jews (Life of Mohammad ed Ishaq at pp 367-8 & Sahih Bukhari 5/369).

Influenced by Satan Both Peter and Mohammad were influenced by Satan in the narratives about their lives. Jesus told his disciples he had to go up to Jerusalem where he would suffer and be put to death. Peter protested to Jesus and said “no Lord.” Jesus rebuked Peter and said to Peter” get behind me Satan”( Gospel of Matthew 16:23). He seemed to mean Peter was being influenced by Satan. This situation also applies to Mohammad. Mohammad spoke a revelation praising the pagan gods al lat and al-Uzza. This was the sin of shirk, associating other gods with Allah. This delighted the Quraysh who worshipped these pagan gods. The prophet’s companions in Abyssinia (where they had fled to) heard that the Quraysh had become “Muslims” and decided to return home. Mohammad was depressed at what he had done and then some time later he received an opposing “revelation from Gabriel (Life of Mohammad ed Ishaq at pp167).

Forgiveness Mohammad wanted forgiveness for his sins; he felt guilt.. He believed Allah might save him on the day of Resurrection but could Allah be trusted? . He revealed his guilt and tried to make amends at times. An illustration is where one of Mohammad’s followers hit him accidentally with his shank whilst they were riding camels together. Mohammad retaliated in anger by hitting him with his whip. The next day Mohammad gave him 80 she camels. Mohammad effectively acknowledged his guilt (Life of Mohammad ed Ishaq p596). Peter in contrast moved from fear and denial to love and acceptance (Gospel of John 21:1-14).

Fear As noted above Peter was fearful of being identified with Jesus before the trial and crucifixion of Jesus. Mohammad did not move from fear to confidence in his position before Allah Certainly his fear was justified because the Koran itself records Mohammad’s confession that Allah did not tell Mohammad his fate (Sura 46.9 and Sahih Bukhari 2:234). Abu Huraira related the Prophet proclaimed in response to the verse ‘cause thy near relatives to fear” when it was “revealed” to him : “Oh people of the Quraysh, and you sons of Abdul Manuf, and you Abbas, son of Abdul Muttalib, and you, Safiyyah my aunt, I cannot save you from the punishment of the Day of Resurrection. Take care of yourself, O my daughter Fatimah; you may use my property, but I cannot save you from God. Take care of yourself (Sahih Bukhari 4:16). Aisha saw Mohammad pray to Allah to rescue him from punishment in the grave (Sahih Muslim 4:1214 and Sahih Bukhari 2:454).Jabir reported that Mohammad said ”No good works of yours can ever secure heaven for you, nor can they save you from hell-not even me, without the grace of God (Sahih Muslim 6760-6762). Mohammad was scared that he would be punished in the grave. Aisha recorded that two Jewish women told her about punishment in the grave and Mohammad confirmed it (Sahih Muslim 4:1214 and Sahih Bukhari 2:454). It is actually worse. Mohammad was terrified of Allah.. Mohammad was driven to plead with Allah not to plot against him or help others against him (Sunan Abu Dawud 8:1505).

Powers, weaknesses and transformaation Peter was the first follower to recognise Jesus was the Messiah (Gospel of Mark 8:29). He had the power of healing according to the Acts of the Apostles (Acts of Apostles 3:1-9 and Acts of Apostles 5:12-16). He is portrayed in the New Testament as becoming a prophet of confidence, truth and humility (Acts of Apostles 2:14-40, Acts of Apostles 3:11-26 & Acts of Apostles 4:1-13). Peter was the eye witness source of the Gospel of Mark (For example see Papius quoted in Eusebius: Exposition of the Logia) , and wrote 1 Peter and 2 Peter He progressed from fear and an underlying violent and impulsive streak to courage and humility. (Gospel of John 18:1-11 and 1 Peter 3:15-16) Mohammad by contrast was unsure, Umayya b. Muhhira tells Mohammad that because of his inability to answer he will not believe in Mohammad as a prophet. Mohammad was sad and grieved (Life of Mohammad ed Ishaq p134-5). Muhammad went to fairs urging Arabs to believe in him- to protect him until God made clear to him “the message” (Life of Mohammad ed Ishaq p194). A Jew Salam b Miskham said Mohammad had not brought any revelation that they recognised- Mohammad then had an anti Jewish “revelation” - sura 2:83 (Life of Mohammad ed Ishaq p257) Mohammad plagiarised (into the Koran) from Jewish writings, and apocryphal gospels (he learned of the clay birds tale from a Christian sect from Najran (Sahih Bukhari 4:16). Mohammad mangled stories from the Old Testament. Examples are Jesus being born under a palm tree appearing in sura 19:16-31 derived from the History of the Nativity, and a raven making a hole for Cain to hide Abel in sura 5:30-35 derived from the Jewish Targum of Jonathan ben Uzzaiah.and Targum of Jerusalem. Examples of the mangling of Old Testament narratives include the story of Lot , where in the earlier chronological sura 26:171(sura 95 in Rodwell’s order) it refers to an old woman who tarried and died, and then in later suras such as 27:57 & 7:83 (suras 103 &114 in Rodwell’s order) it identifies her as Lot’s wife. The Koran lists 5 signs given to Pharoah in sura 7:130 of which a flood and lice are not listed in the Bible. There are 10 plagues listed in the Bible. Aaron’s staff swallows up the magicians’ staffs in Genesis 7:12 –in the Koran it refers to Moses’ staff doing so in sura 20:60-73 &7:101-119.

Mohammad was angry with too many questions, just as coincidentally Allah was (Sahih Bukhari 8:373 & sura 5:101). Violence against women/wives was both condoned by Mohammad and practised by him (Sahih Muslim 3506 & 2127) He complained about his lack of healing when Abu Umaima died as he (Mohammad) was meant to be like Jesus (Life of Mohammad ed Ishaq p235). This lack of equality with Peter also applies when contrasting Mohammad with Peter’s power of persuasion and discernment. Peter brought thousands into the Christian faith by persuasion and the Bible argues this was through the power of the Holy Spirit. (Acts of the Apostles 2:41). He was a follower of one, Jesus, who declared his kingdom was not of this world and who did not use violence (Gospel of John 18:36 It is easy to imagine the bloodbath if Mohammad had been in the Garden of Gethesame in the place of Jesus). Mohammad in contrast established the dominance of Islam in Arabia through violence .Some examples can be found in Life of Mohammad ed Ishaq p281,285,287-289,461-2, Sahih Bukhari 4:280, and again Life of Mohammad ed Ishaq 482-3,511,515-516 & 652.

Interestingly Islam rapidly collapsed when Mohammad died. It was only through further violence and coercion by Abu Bakr that Islam didn’t disappear into the dustbin of history (Life of Mohammad ed Ishaq p689 and Sahih Bukhari 2:483). Mohammad had little if any discernment. For example he didn’t believe that Aisha had been faithful to him when she spent the night away until pleaded with (Life of Mohammad ed Ishaq pp494-7). Another example is Allah lamely trying to defend Mohammad’s lack of knowledge of the Holy Spirit in sura 17:87.The irony is “Allah” couldn’t explain it either!

Conclusion The evidence is clear that Peter, a key follower of Jesus, is a better role model than Mohammad, and more impressive in how he progressed from fear and impulsiveness and some violence to become a man of humility and peace (Gospel of Mark14:47, Gospel of Mark 14:66, and 1 and 2 Peter ). He exhorted Christians to practice self-control and holiness, whilst condemning malice, deceit, envy and lust. Mohammad actually regressed, moving from fear and timidity, to fear, lust and violence. In addition to the above examples in Sura 33:37-38 and Sahih Bukhari 7:22 & 7:89 regarding Safiyya, the captured slave woman /widow (Mohammad had her husband Kinana, tortured) who became his wife. Note Mohammad’s followers wondered before hand if she was to be taken (for sex) as a slave or as a wife by Mohammad . The narrative of Mohammad’s ‘ lust for Zainab pre her divorce from her husband (Mohammad’s adopted son) is recorded in Tabari, and justified by Allah in the Quran (sura 33:37) . The contrast with David’s lust for Bathsheba and the condemnation from Nathan the prophet is striking ( 2 Samuel Chs 11 & 12). Jesus inconveniently for Mohammad and Allah had already condemned lust in the heart as adultery, not merely the sexual act (Matthew 5:27). Far from being a “final prophet” the facts can only lead to one conclusion: he ranks below even Simon Peter as a “prophet” or messenger of God.


TOPICS: Apologetics; History; Moral Issues; Theology
KEYWORDS: mohammadpeter

1 posted on 01/29/2016 7:22:18 PM PST by ekeni
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To: ekeni

A comparizin between Moehamhead and Satan would be more appropriate. One and the same.


2 posted on 01/29/2016 7:34:11 PM PST by Sasparilla
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To: ekeni

Interesting spelling of comparison, right?


3 posted on 01/29/2016 7:35:16 PM PST by Sasparilla
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To: ekeni

MoHAMmad was just the typical mussie pedophile camel/goat herder is all and he’s buried out there in the desert someplace and is still dead to this day.


4 posted on 01/29/2016 7:35:31 PM PST by SkyDancer ("Nobody Said I Was Perfect But Yet Here I Am")
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To: SkyDancer

Why would somone waste their time on such nonsense? Christ said that He is the way, the truth and the life; and that NOBODY comes to the Father except through Him.

Case closed.


5 posted on 01/29/2016 8:03:26 PM PST by Tucker39 (Welcome to America! Now speak English; and keep to the right....In driving, in Faith, and politics.)
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To: ekeni

No need for so many words.

Mohammad: Murderer, rapist, pedophile, probably insane. Prophesied nothing.

Jesus: Without sin, the man for others, King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Predicted centuries before his birth, prophesied the end of the age and his return to earth.

Whom do you trust for your eternal destiny?


6 posted on 01/29/2016 8:21:03 PM PST by beethovenfan (Islam is a cancer on civilization.)
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To: beethovenfan

But did Jesus promise 72 virgins? </sarcasm>


7 posted on 01/29/2016 8:26:32 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("The goal of socialism is communism... Hatred is the basis of communism" --Vladimir Lenin)
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To: ekeni

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Pre-Islamic Arabia's religion was one of superstition. Belief in jinns (genies), curse casting, magic stones, totems was the norm - and it was against this background that Allah arose. Although the Quran is claimed to be a heavenly writing with no earthly source, evidence of these very sorts of cultural influence is found in such places as Suras 55, 72, 113 and 114.

Animism, the belief that spirits inhabit rocks, trees and other elements was also very commonplace. Some of these stones were venerated and used as a focal point for the worship of a particular tribal god. No surprise, Muhammad's family had just such a stone for their own tribe - a black stone, in fact, that they kept at the Kabah (where the tribal idols were set up). The pagan rites of bowing toward Mecca, making a pilgrimage to the Kabah, running around it seven times, kissing it, then running to the river to throw stones at the devil all found there way into Islamic practice.

The final piece of the puzzle was in found in the religion of the Sabeans, an astral religion that worshipped the moon god and planned their religious rites around the lunar calendar. One such rite was fasting from crescent moon to crescent moon, a practice which would also be adopted by Muhammad.

If these things were not present before Muhammad received them from Allah (who himself is the moon god of Muhammad's tribe), why did Muhammad not have to explain what those words meant in the Quran? How would people have known who Allah was? ( or: what a jinn was? what the Kabah was? what the word Islam meant? etc.). Even the word "Islam" which many believe to mean "submission" was not an original word. In Arabic it was a secular term that denoted the strength and bravery of a desert warrior (a definition that accurately reflects the war-like tribes that founded Islam with bloodshed).

The Moon God "Allah" is from the compound Arabic word "al-ilah" or in english "the god". Allah was known before Muhammad's time without a doubt. His name has been found in pre-islamic writings and other archeological finds. At the Kabah in Mecca over 350 gods were worshipped, but it was built especially for the chief deity - the moon god. Allah was the personal title of the moon god. Allah was married to the sun goddess. They produced three daughters, whose worship Muhammad would later make the mistake of condoning. The crescent moon symbol of Arabia came from this god.

Muhammad's family revered this particular god, and it is this idol that Muhammad declared to be the only true god. So, Allah - far from being the revealed God of the Bible as Muhammad would have us believe - is nothing more than an amplified pagan idol. Muhammad did not re-make the pagan god, he simply removed the lower deities from the rites of worship. That is why he never had to explain who Allah was.

By definition, an idol converted in the 7th century into a new god cannot be the same God revealed thousands of years earlier to Biblical prophets!
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8 posted on 01/29/2016 8:47:47 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! I reallyRead it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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I don’t see Mohammed mentioned anywhere in the Bible.
Therefore, he does not exist.


9 posted on 01/29/2016 8:50:53 PM PST by mkleesma (`Call to me, and I will answer you and tell you great and unsearchable things you do not know.')
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To: ekeni

It is a stupid article and comparison.

Muslims rate mad mo higher than Jesus as he was the final prophet allahsatan sent.

Stupid libtard western no idea of islam article


10 posted on 01/29/2016 8:57:31 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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