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Pope Francis Asks Protestants to Forgive Catholics for Persecution
The Catholic Herald (UK) ^ | 1/26/16 | CNS

Posted on 01/27/2016 6:19:11 AM PST by marshmallow

The Pope spoke at a prayer service concluding the Week of Prayer for Christian Unity

After walking across the threshold of the Holy Door of the Basilica of St Paul Outside the Walls with an Orthodox metropolitan and an Anglican archbishop, Pope Francis invoked God's mercy upon divided Christians and apologised for times that Catholics may have hurt members of other denominations.

"As bishop of Rome and pastor of the Catholic Church, I want to beg for mercy and forgiveness for un-Gospel-like behaviour on the part of Catholics against Christians of other churches," the Pope said on Monday at a prayer service concluding the Week of Prayer for Christian Unity.

"We ask most of all for forgiveness for the sin of our divisions, which are an open wound on the body of Christ," Pope Francis said.

"At the same time, I ask all my Catholic brothers and sisters to forgive if, today or in the past, they were hurt by other Christians," he said. "We cannot erase what happened, but we do not want to allow the burden of past faults to continue to poison our relationships."

As is customary, Pope Francis led the service at Rome's Basilica of St Paul Outside the Walls, which tradition holds as the burial site of the apostle. Orthodox Metropolitan Gennadios, representing the ecumenical patriarch, and Anglican Archbishop David Moxon, representing the archbishop of Canterbury, joined the pope in prayer at St Paul's tomb at the beginning of the service.

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To: aMorePerfectUnion
The Scriptures teach believers to be baptized. They never teach non-believers (including infants) be baptized. By claiming infant baptism, you are adding to the teaching of believers baptism.

Your tradition teaches "believers' baptism." What saith the scripture ?

John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.

The baptism of John, was it from heaven, or of men? answer me.

Mark, Catholic chapter one, Protestant verse four,
Mark, Catholic chapter eleven, Protestant verse thirty,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James,
boldness mine

61 posted on 01/27/2016 4:48:05 PM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: marshmallow
Maybe they should close this office then.

Founded in 1542 by Pope Paul III with the Constitution "Licet ab initio," the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith was originally called the Sacred Congregation of the Universal Inquisition as its duty was to defend the Church from heresy. It is the oldest of the Curia's nine congregations.

Pope St. Pius X in 1908 changed the name to the Sacred Congregation of the Holy Office. It received its current name in 1965 with Pope Paul VI. Today, according to Article 48 of the Apostolic Constitution on the Roman Curia, "Pastor Bonus", promulgated by the Holy Father John Paul II on June 28, 1988, «the duty proper to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith is to promote and safeguard the doctrine on the faith and morals throughout the Catholic world: for this reason everything which in any way touches such matter falls within its competence.»

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_pro_14071997_en.html

62 posted on 01/27/2016 5:58:40 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: CA Conservative

context is not important to some in catholicism.


63 posted on 01/27/2016 6:17:02 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

Speaking to context our greatest example to live by is Jesus. Yet he was about thirty years of age when he was Baptized. I don’t see how any logical person can make the jump from infant to thirty and say yeah that makes sense.


64 posted on 01/27/2016 7:04:22 PM PST by mrobisr (If you don't take care of your Bride how do you ever expect Jesus to let you take care of his Bride?)
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To: impimp; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; kinsman redeemer; BlueDragon; metmom; boatbums; ...
Acts 18:8 and the Didache. Infant baptism is biblical.

It is not Biblical, and basic mentions of whole household baptisms do not constitute evidence of it but are only speculative regarding it, while the Holy Spirit's stated requirements for baptist is wholehearted repentance faith:

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (Acts 2:38)

And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. (Acts 8:36-37)

And where there is more details it is shown that the subjects could hear the word and respond.

And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. (Acts 8:36-37)

There is no salvation by proxy faith, while it is the faith behind baptism that appropriates justification, (Rm. 4:1-7ff) as the regeneration of Cornelius and household b4 baptism shows, God "purifying their hearts by faith." (Acts 10:43-47; 15:79)

Burning at the stake was typically done by secular authorities who wanted pure Catholicism in their land.

As required by Rome for RC leaders:

Canons of the Ecumenical Fourth Lateran Council (canon 3), 1215:

Secular authorities, whatever office they may hold, shall be admonished and induced and if necessary compelled by ecclesiastical censure, that as they wish to be esteemed and numbered among the faithful, so for the defense of the faith they ought publicly to take an oath that they will strive in good faith and to the best of their ability to exterminate in the territories subject to their jurisdiction all heretics pointed out by the Church; so that whenever anyone shall have assumed authority, whether spiritual or temporal, let him be bound to confirm this decree by oath.

But if a temporal ruler, after having been requested and admonished by the Church, should neglect to cleanse his territory of this heretical foulness, let him be excommunicated by the metropolitan and the other bishops of the province. If he refuses to make satisfaction within a year, let the matter be made known to the supreme pontiff, that he may declare the ruler’s vassals absolved from their allegiance and may offer the territory to be ruled lay Catholics, who on the extermination of the heretics may possess it without hindrance and preserve it in the purity of faith; the right, however, of the chief ruler is to be respected as long as he offers no obstacle in this matter and permits freedom of action. (http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/basis/lateran4.asp)

65 posted on 01/27/2016 8:02:17 PM PST by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: Campion
When, exactly, did the Holy Spirit begin His long vacation? When, exactly, did Christ's promises to "be with you always, until the end of the age" and to lead His Church "to all truth" turn out to have been fraudulent?

That no more refers to one organic church and precludes any error than do the many promises of Divine presence, guidance and preservation given to the OT people of God, (Gn. 12:2,3; 17:4,7,8; Ex. 19:5; Lv. 10:11; Dt. 4:31; 17:8-13; Ps, 11:4,9; Is. 41:10, Ps. 89:33,34; Jer. 7:23) "Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen. (Romans 9:4-5)

Nor do we know all the truth that there is to know, or can claim comprehensive doctrinal unity, but the Spirit will be guiding the body of Christ into all Truth, though here we yet see thru a glass, darkly.

66 posted on 01/27/2016 8:12:32 PM PST by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: Campion; chuckles
Since heresy wasn't a capital crime until the 12th century (and then only in some places) how exactly did that work?

Not for heresy, but early on you have Catholicism employing or relying on the use of the sword of men to deal with foes in church matters, even with Damasus 1 hiring a murderous band of thugs to secure his seat.

Why don't you ask Henry VIII and Elizabeth I why they murdered so many Catholics?

Yet it is RCs who are found here commending such by Rome, and or apparently hoping for a RC monarchy to suppress us.

Then why does the chapter start by commanding intercessory prayer, a form of mediation? Which simply does not refute the charge and translate into there being another heavenly intercessor besides the only One the Holy Spirit teaches of, (1Tim. 2:15) and points us to, who ever lives to do so, thanks be to God. (Heb. 2:19; 4:15; 7:25) And despite approx 200 prayers in Scripture, the Holy Spirit does not even record one single prayer or offering by believers to anyone else in Heaven but the Lord, to whom believers have direect access to by the sinless shed blood of the Divine Son of God. (Heb. 10:19)

Instead, prayer to created beings is only seen among pagans in Scripture, and is a late development in Jewish history.

This was an innovation, as Salomon Reinach nicely observes: "Pagans prayed to the dead, Christians prayed for the dead." Now, it is of course true that beliefs and mentalities do not change overnight, so it should come as no surprise that we do find instances, particularly in the domain of popular belief, in which non-Christians prayed for the suffering dead in the other world....

These practices developed around the beginning of the Christian era. They were a phenomenon of the times, particularly noticeable in Egypt, the great meeting ground for peoples and religions. Traveling in Egypt around 50 s.c., Diodorus of Sicily was struck by the funerary customs: "As soon as the casket containing the corpse is placed on the bark, the survivors call upon the infernal gods and beseech them to admit the soul to the place received for pious men. The crowd adds its own cheers, together with pleas that the deceased be allowed to enjoy eternal life in Hades, in the society of the good."

"The passage cited earlier from the Second Book of Maccabees, which was composed by an Alexandrian Jew during the half-century preceding Diodorus's journey, should no doubt be seen against this background." It then becomes clear that at the time of Judas Maccabeus--around 170 s.c., a surprisingly innovative period—prayer for the dead was not practiced, but that a century later it was practiced by certain Jews. The Birth of Purgatory By Jacques Le Goff. pp. 45,46 , transcribed using http://www.onlineocr.net.

67 posted on 01/27/2016 8:30:27 PM PST by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: Bryanw92; aMorePerfectUnion; CA Conservative
What does “entire household” mean to you. If a house burns down at you get the entire household out, would you leave the babies behind to burn?

That no more proves there were infants in the house than texts as Acts 18:8 proves there were. And see 65 above by God's grace. Moreover the baptism of John did not remove sin, but was in regards ("eis") to forgiveness, as forgiveness was always by repentance, and did not require baptism but which signified it.

68 posted on 01/27/2016 8:39:02 PM PST by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: CA Conservative
I have no disagreement with the verse you quoted, but it has nothing to do with infant baptism.

Are you one of those who imagine only Jewish men thirty years of age and older are eligible for baptism ?

Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; And did all eat the same spiritual meat; And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

First Corinthians, Catholic chapter ten, Protestant verses one to four,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James
boldness mine

69 posted on 01/27/2016 8:48:40 PM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981
Are you one of those who imagine only Jewish men thirty years of age and older are eligible for baptism ?

No, but I am one who imagines it is impossible for an infant to repent; they have no concept or awareness of sin, and are unable to speak. Thus, to baptize them would not be according to the command of Peter in Acts. (It might also be hard to get them to hold their breath as you put them under the water...)

70 posted on 01/27/2016 10:29:33 PM PST by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: Bryanw92; aMorePerfectUnion
>>No baby or child is baptized in Acts 18:8.

How can you say that with authority?

You guys kill me...You pretend the scriptures don't exist...You pretend the written words of God have no value...Let's see if you can read...

Act 18:8 And Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized.

With all his house...All his house believed on Jesus Christ...No one gets baptized who doesn't believe on the Lord, Jesus Christ...Do you know who that takes out of the equation???

YOu guys are pitiful...And tomorrow you'll be making the same claim that babies don't get baptized because the bible does not say, 'babies do not get baptized'...

71 posted on 01/27/2016 11:59:59 PM PST by Iscool (Izlam and radical Izlam are different the same way a wolf and a wolf in sheeps clothing are differen)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
I would caution you about baptizing cats thought. From experience, I can tell you they are not Christians and they do not appreciate immersion

My dogs don't like swimming in the Davao Gulf either, but they just swim to shore and shake it off, and get over it. I don't think my dogs are Christians either.

:-)

72 posted on 01/28/2016 1:05:25 AM PST by Mark17 (Thank God I have Jesus, there's more wealth in my soul than acres of diamonds and mountains of gold)
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To: Mark17
I would caution you about baptizing cats though ...


73 posted on 01/28/2016 1:39:38 AM PST by WVKayaker (Sarah Palin endorses Donald Trump: 'No more pussyfooting around')
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To: WVKayaker
That's about how Scuba looks, coming out of the ocean. Mousy looks s little more civilized.

:-)

74 posted on 01/28/2016 1:47:27 AM PST by Mark17 (Thank God I have Jesus, there's more wealth in my soul than acres of diamonds and mountains of gold)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Baptizing dogs, cats and hamsters. Scripture doesn’t forbid it.

I would caution you about baptizing cats thought. From experience, I can tell you they are not Christians and they do not appreciate immersion. Caths cults and atheists (in charging God) much rely on the specious hermeneutic that if it is not forbidden then it much be sanctioned. As for cat-olics, i once gave our cat a bath and i never heard those demonic-sounding howls cats can make.

75 posted on 01/28/2016 3:20:55 AM PST by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: Iscool

>>Let’s see if you can read...

>>YOu guys are pitiful...

You are a great Christian!! A role model for us all.


76 posted on 01/28/2016 4:51:37 AM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: CA Conservative
No, but I am one who imagines it is impossible for an infant to repent; they have no concept or awareness of sin, and are unable to speak. Thus, to baptize them would not be according to the command of Peter in Acts. (It might also be hard to get them to hold their breath as you put them under the water...)

By that logic no little ones can be saved, since they cannot repent and be baptized. We know that is false though, for it is written:

Then were there brought unto him little children, that he should put his hands on them, and pray: and the disciples rebuked them. But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven. And he laid his hands on them, and departed thence.

Matthew, Catholic chapter nineteen, Protestant verses thirteen to fifteen,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

Therefore it follows that if it is not forbidden for parents to bring their little ones to the LORD, and of such is the kingdom of heaven, then it is not forbidden to baptize such little ones. In fact, the one holy catholic apostolic church has been doing that for almost two centuries. The exception to this practice is some of the Catholics who became Protestants and re-formed their own religion, and especially some of those who became protesters of the protesters. Some of them, but by no means all, forbade the little ones from being baptized and established their own tradition of men for that tradition is not in the scriptures.

77 posted on 01/28/2016 5:33:42 AM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: WVKayaker

Yes, most cats hate water. Wonder if that means they are downright ‘evil.’ :) Joke for our cat lovers.

I did have a cat one time get under a truck that was leaking oil. He came in nose to tail full of oil. There was only one solution...a bath! I expected to be cut to shreds but it seems I had a good Baptist cat who loved water and we got him cleaned up well.

So at least from my experience there are some good Baptist cats out there.....:)


78 posted on 01/28/2016 6:23:45 AM PST by redleghunter (Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation)
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To: marshmallow
Pope Francis Asks Protestants to Forgive Catholics for Persecution

How CAN we; when FR's Catholics make it a HABIT to persecute us!



79 posted on 01/28/2016 6:44:15 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: chajin

80 posted on 01/28/2016 6:47:23 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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