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Pope Francis is now at war with the Vatican. If he wins, the Catholic Church could fall apart
The Spectator ^ | October 18, 2015 | Damian Thompson

Posted on 10/19/2015 9:17:34 AM PDT by ebb tide

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To: Nervous Tick
If it offends you, go hump a goat.

No goat humping allowed in a RELIGION thread.

121 posted on 10/21/2015 11:26:14 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

>> No goat humping allowed in a RELIGION thread.

Oops! Sorry! I forgot this one was a religion thread.


122 posted on 10/21/2015 11:28:41 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (There is no "allah" but satan, and mohammed was his demon-possessed tool.)
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To: Nervous Tick
We speak English in this country, and I’m writing in English, not Arabic, to an English speaking audience.

I glean from your comments you are ignorant of the languages of the Bible.

In English, “allah” refers ONLY to the false ‘god’ of islam, who is, in fact, satan.

You seem to frequently give place to the adversary. What does the word "el" refer to in English ?

Maybe you use ‘allah’ in whatever cult you worship, but in my entire life I have never once heard ‘allah’ used in a Christian church to refer to YAHWEH, Creator GOD.

Which denomination or sect do you regularly assemble with ? Do you understand the transliteration you just introduced is derived from a Hebrew word without the vowels you projected ?

The tagline stands. If it offends you, go hump a goat.

Your response demonstrates to me that you are not walking in the Spirit. How then do you differ from what you profess to hate ?

123 posted on 10/21/2015 12:54:21 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981

I am thoroughly familiar with the languages of the Bible. I know about Hebrew and vowels. And it is obvious to any casual observer that you are a contentious, legalistic, tedious militant papist — one who is in no way qualified to pass judgment upon my walk in the Spirit.

I believe this conversation has reached the end of its productive period, and I declare it finished. Ta-ta, papist. Have a nice day.


124 posted on 10/21/2015 1:53:47 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (There is no "allah" but satan, and mohammed was his demon-possessed tool.)
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To: Nervous Tick
I am thoroughly familiar with the languages of the Bible. I know about Hebrew and vowels.

If that were true you would know and understand the etymology of the transliterated word "Allah" as well as its Hebrew and Aramaic cousins. It would make the error deliberate.

And it is obvious to any casual observer that you are a contentious, legalistic, tedious militant papist — one who is in no way qualified to pass judgment upon my walk in the Spirit.

Your walk, by your language, is on parade for the whole world to judge, so to speak.

I believe this conversation has reached the end of its productive period, and I declare it finished. Ta-ta, papist.

Again you have not identified the denomination or sect you regularly assemble with, if you even do, while throwing out a perjorative.

Have a nice day.

Oh, the irony.

125 posted on 10/21/2015 2:18:06 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: ebb tide

bkmk


126 posted on 10/21/2015 4:26:28 PM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: Elsie

Neither news nor relevant.


127 posted on 10/21/2015 5:51:34 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Sta, si cum canibus magnis currere non potes, in portico.)
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To: Elsie

It is not news that you think my statement untrue.


129 posted on 10/22/2015 9:15:29 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Sta, si cum canibus magnis currere non potes, in portico.)
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To: Elsie

The word you used was “bogus.”


131 posted on 10/24/2015 2:19:05 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Sta, si cum canibus magnis currere non potes, in portico.)
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To: Elsie
The subject is Thompson's article and the fear he and so many others are showing about the outcome and effects of the synod.

Writing as a Catholic I was reminding Catholics (”we Catholics”)of the last “mystery” of the Rosary and its dependence on the ultimate sovereignty and benevolence of God (who makes the blessed kings and priests.) And that was an introduction to the idea of confidence as a gift and a duty.

Then you said:
I think it is bogus news in itself that Mary is Queen of heaven, of all that is.

I replied that that was not news — because I already had the idea that you didn't embrace Catholic thought — and not relevant — because my remark was addressed to Catholics.

If you want to discuss the idea of the Queenship of Mary, that does not oblige me to discuss it with you.
And I'm not sure of any good to be gained by such a conversation, even if it were closely relevant to Thompson's article.

The question is so far "downstream." As I see it, we'd have to come to terms on the Incarnation and the Atonement. And before we did that, we'd have to come to terms on things like Scripture, reason, authority, and whether and how we can make predications of God at all.

The years of logomachy on the Religion Forum really highlighted these questions for me. If I were to generalize, I would say that the differences cluster around disagreements about reason itself (and therefore about human nature, fallen and unfallen) and differences about what Christ accomplished in his "work," from, as you might say, Annunciation to Pentecost.

Every zillion post thread, when you clear away the dross -- of which there is plenty -- comes down to that. The Solas, the support (or lack of it) for TULIP, and the occasional frank rebuff of reason itself ... all seem to me to come down to those questions. So arguing about the Queenship (or not) of Mary would be a huge waste of time. But this and a conversation I had Thursday have decided me: I'm going to go through the first questions of the Summa again.

134 posted on 10/24/2015 8:56:43 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Sta, si cum canibus magnis currere non potes, in portico.)
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To: ebb tide

We need to get these folks into Christian Churches...or actually going to Church does not even save you, we need these fol;ks to ask Jesus into Their life directly, we need them to Thank Jesus for dying on the Cross for their sins, we need them reading their New Testaments.

The Catholic Charismatic Movement is more on target though they still are too wrapped up in Catholicism

Get rid of the funny outfits and the shaking of canisters whatever


135 posted on 10/25/2015 7:53:39 AM PDT by Chauncey Uppercrust (TRUMP/CRUZ 2016 OR BUST)
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