You Don't Think Francis Can Change Church Doctrine? He Just Did.

Mahound's Paradise ^ | 9/8/15 | Oakes Spalding

[fishtank]

As a former RCC,

I say that the rosary is truly ....

a sad, sick, weak, worn-out diversion.

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[mlizzy]

Of course you would say that; you are a former RCC!

Others can look to those who recite the rosary before or after daily Mass along with the few others who join in. They are amongst the most peaceful people in the world, and I don't doubt for a minute, that their prayers have helped towns avert certain horrors. In fact, I'm certain of it! =)

It won't be until one gets to heaven, though, that they will be told just how many souls were saved through the recitation of their rosaries. How many babies headed for abortion were saved. How many divorces were prevented. How many children came home to the faith.

[piusv]

In recent years there has been a growing desire among Catholic writers to see canon law as an expression of theology and particularly of ecclesiology. The structure of the Church, they maintain, should reflect the theology of the Church and the laws which establish and protect these structures ought to be a faithful expression of dogmatic theology. These laws should be, and should be seen to be, dogmatic theology in the concrete, theology in action, applied doctrine. Gallagher, Canon Law (1978) at 90.

How do these changes not undermine the doctrine of the indissolubility of marriage and the Sixth Commandment? It reminds me of the 1983 Canon Law changes that now allow non-Catholics to receive communion without conversion. That change undermines the doctrine of the Eucharist and the First Commandment.

[piusv]

Ping to post #43. Not sure why it pinged “eastside” and not “eastsider”

[BlatherNaut]

This “reform” pits canon law against doctrine.

“...In the motu proprio of Pope Francis, things have been turned on their heads. The interest of the spouses take precedence over the marriage. This is said in the document itself...”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3335425/posts

[piusv]

This “reform” pits canon law against doctrine. “...In the motu proprio of Pope Francis, things have been turned on their heads. The interest of the spouses take precedence over the marriage. This is said in the document itself...”

I don't doubt it, but does anyone have the actual words from the document?

[Lucy Hamilton]

As a Roman Catholic, he’s not MY Pope. Every time he opens his mouth, our pours more Heresy, he’s a Heretic and an Anti-Pope.

As far as I’m concerned Pope Benedict XVI is still THE Pope.

[BlatherNaut]

http://w2.vatican.va/content/francesco/la/motu_proprio/documents/papa-francesco-motu-proprio_20150815_mitis-iudex-dominus-iesus.html

[piusv]

Hopefully this will be in English soon. I’d do a google translate but I wouldn’t know which section to focus on for the quote you gave above (ie. interests of the spouses).

[Elsie]

Don’t millions of Catholics do this multiple times daily?

[Elsie]

good thing you are not a Mormon; as an attitude like this will bring swift judgement upon you!

#4..

 

Temple Recommend Questions

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1 Do you have faith in and a testimony of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost?

2 Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Christ and of His role as Savior and Redeemer?

3 Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days?

4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church?

5 Do you live the law of chastity?

6 Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church?

7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

8 Do you strive to keep the covenants you have made, to attend your sacrament and other meetings, and to keep your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel?

9 Are you honest in your dealings with your fellowmen?

10 Are you a full-tithe payer?

11 Do you keep the Word of Wisdom?

12 Do you have financial or other obligations to a former spouse or children? If yes, are you current in meeting those obligations?

13 If you have previously received your temple endowment:

Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple?
Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple?

14 Have there been any sins or misdeeds in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but have not been?

15 Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord's house and participate in temple ordinances?

Temple Recommend Questions

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1 Do you have faith in and a testimony of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost?

2 Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Christ and of His role as Savior and Redeemer?

3 Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days?

4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church?

5 Do you live the law of chastity?

6 Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church?

7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

8 Do you strive to keep the covenants you have made, to attend your sacrament and other meetings, and to keep your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel?

9 Are you honest in your dealings with your fellowmen?

10 Are you a full-tithe payer?

11 Do you keep the Word of Wisdom?

12 Do you have financial or other obligations to a former spouse or children? If yes, are you current in meeting those obligations?

13 If you have previously received your temple endowment:

Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple?
Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple?

14 Have there been any sins or misdeeds in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but have not been?

15 Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord's house and participate in temple ordinances?

[Lucy Hamilton]

OMG the Mormons, I’ve only met one of them, in the worst place on a plane therefore I was trapped.

I was visting friends in Dallas, and I was flying from Atlanta to Dallas.

The woman sitting next to me, never said a WORD for most of the flight, then suddenly mid-flight, her first words to me were:

“Have you ever thought about joining the Mormon religion?”

‘Um, I was polite to her, I did engage her in conversation, but was thinking to myself “pilot hurry up and get me to Dallas, I need to get off this plane like soon!”

Lol.

[Elsie]

I would have GLADLY TAKEN YOUR PLACE!!!

[Lucy Hamilton]

Lol, you must be a very brave person.

[Elsie]

No.

Just one with a desire to rectify false teachings.

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I got in trouble with the wife just yesterday for pointing out the e-mail she sent me; containing a very good prayer from Billy Graham; was actually not from him at all.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/prayernation.asp