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Hating Catholics–America’s ONLY Accepted Prejudice
http://shoebat.com/2014/04/12/hating-catholics-americas-accepted-prejudice/ ^ | April 12, 2014 | Walid Shoebat

Posted on 08/25/2015 6:45:11 PM PDT by NKP_Vet

I recall when I got scorned for attacking homosexuality on my blog with a comment that said, “You are a homophobe, do you not know that God loves everyone including homosexuals,” in which I answered with, “do you not know that God loves everyone including the homophobe?”

Indeed, we say “God loves everyone,” including, but not limited to; heretics, pedophiles, hemophiliacs, sodomites, lesbians, murderers, rapists, child molesters, drug pushers and every mutant from the pit of hell, except, of course, the legalist and the Pharisee, that is, the good old Catholic Church.

y now, objectors who read so far what I wrote here will only pull out a Tommy machinegun and begin to spray all the high-caliber bullets at the comment section of my blog to write: “Catholics are legalists,” “the Pope kissed the Quran,” “they worship Mary,” “they pray to saints” …

May I say that a bigot is recognized when he avoids the question at hand by always changing the subject.

The God of love, does He not love the legalist, the Pharisee and even the bigot? Does He then not also love the Catholic?

The issue is not an issue of “Love”, but that “Love” is always used to obstruct correction and reproof. Such “Love” is nothing more than hate. I always keep my eyes out for a mind that reverses everything.

The issue is an issue of SLANDER.

Slandering Catholics is the ONLY accepted prejudice in America.

Exposing Sodomite behavior in America is prejudice, but slandering the Vatican is not?

The Vatican has been slandered for centuries without a shred of biblical evidence. They call it the Harlot of Babylon, the killers of the saints, the woman drunk with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus Christ. And for historic evidence they say that the Catholic Church eliminated the Manichaeans, Arians, Cathars, Priscillianists, Paulicians, Bogomiles and Albigensians. But can anyone quote a single historian who confirms or proves that these groups were Bible believing Christians? Yet thousands of books were written slandering Catholics for eliminating these while elevating such heretics as the true Bible believing Christians.(For more on this read my article Drinking the Blood of Saints)

But instead of answering such a simple question, I get machine-gunned every time by changing the subject; but what about all these pedophilia cases? It is true that there is a major mess to clean in any Christian circle, but may I say: let the denomination that has no such sin cast the first stone. Sexual sins and deviancies are equally spread in all denominations.

But does such issues entitle us to only focus on what is wrong with the Catholic while ignoring what is wrong with Protestants? Even Jesus, while he reprimanded the institution of His time for its corruption, He never eliminated its authority over the flock.

And what about the Pharisee? Did the New Testament hate Pharisees? And how could we say that Judaism is legalistic just because individual Pharisees were challenging Jesus by using the Law to trap, discredit and accuse Him of heresy? Can this be applied to all the Pharisees in general or the Jews collectively?

Why then do we use the term “Pharisee” as a dreaded label of scorn and insult?

In the Bible, we can find verses where God condemns Israel. But is that a blanket statement to condemn them for eternity? If so, what then do we do with verses in which God honors Israel? Condemning the Jews for eternity is a sign of bigotry and prejudice. I see many Catholics who hate Israel. Evangelicals by large have done a much better job than Catholics in recognizing and supporting Israel.

When it comes to the Pharisee, Jesus spoke of the “righteousness of the Pharisees”. Was Jesus degrading the righteousness of the Pharisees, or was He simply setting up the standard, that unless we are perfect, we couldn’t enter the Kingdom, for even if we kept the law as good as the Pharisee, these do not equip a man for the beatific vision of God’s essence? This of course, can never be attained until the end when God accomplishes in us His plan after we are purged from all sin.

Nicodemus was a righteous Pharisee and so was Gamaliel, Paul’s teacher, the grandson of Hillel and the founder of a dominant school of the Pharisees, a major branch of Judaism. It was Gamaliel (a Pharisee) whom God chose to save the apostles from death and opposed the apostles’ execution. Josephus and some Talmudic works also mention Gamaliel, the Pharisee, describing him as a benevolent and brilliant man. William Barclay states:

“He was a kindly man with a far wider tolerance than his fellows. He was, for instance, one of the very few Pharisees who did not regard Greek culture as sinful. He was one of the very few to whom the title ‘Rabban’ had been given. Men called him ‘The Beauty of the Law.’ When he died it was said, ‘Since Rabban Gamaliel died there has been no more reverence for the Law; and purity and abstinence died out at the same time.'” (The Daily Study Bible Commentary, Bible Explorer software.)

In fact, Christianity, and by extension, Catholicism was derived from the Pharisaical tradition of Judaism. In reality, when we compare Catholics and Protestants today in light of ancient times, it was the sola-scriptura Sadducees who rejected all authoritative oral teaching and were considered the theological liberals of that time. Even the New Testament records the first Christians were Pharisees (Acts 15:5, Philippians 3:5), but never once mentions Christian Sadducees.

Having few children by using birth control is the practice of liberals. Why would many Evangelicals support birth control is beyond me. Yet both religious Jews and Catholics see such practice as going against God’s plan. I agree 100%. God after all said to be, “fruitful and multiply”. My wife Maria put up with me for over two decades because she was brought up Catholic and to her marriage was a holy sacrament.

I have always believed that there are anti-Semites regardless of denomination. However, it is not true that Catholicism is anti-Semitic. Catholic Jim Blackburn from Catholic Answers in his article “Do You Know Jesus” explains that Christianity stems from Judaism, which is the official stand of the Catholic Church. Jim explains Paul:

“Paul said: “My manner of life from my youth, spent from the beginning among my own nation and at Jerusalem, is known by all the Jews. They have known for a long time, if they are willing to testify, that according to the strictest party of our religion I have lived as a Pharisee. And now I stand here on trial for hope in the promise made by God to our fathers. (Acts 26:4-6)”

Paul does not denounce the religion of Judaism here. He clearly recognizes that it is from this religion, which Christianity sprang. And he does not view Christianity as a new religion but, rather, as the fulfillment of the promise of Judaism. It is a continuation of—not a break from—Judaism. And in this continuation it does not throw off its religious aspect. (Ibid)

We always attribute to Catholics as the prime example of a legalist; they after all believe that they can earn or merit God’s approval by performing the requirements of the law, they neglect mercy, are ignorant of the grace of God and are so focused on the obedience to the law; the Catholic preeminent principle of redemption is not “by faith alone in God’s grace”.

Was the Catholic unsaved just because he believed in sola gratia (by grace alone) as Trent decreed, the justified “increase in that justice which they have received through the grace of Christ” by means of “faith co-operating with good works,” which uses the phrase of the Council and that of Saint James?

Fact is, the Catholic Church condemns anyone who attempts to justify himself “by his own works”:

“Canon I. If any one says that man may be justified before God by his own works, whether done through the teaching of human nature, or that of the law, without the grace of God through Jesus Christ—let him be anathema.”

The Council of Trent even elaborates:

“We are therefore said to be justified freely, because that none of those things which precede justification—whether faith or works—merit the grace itself of justification. For, if it be a grace, it is not now by works, otherwise, as the same Apostle says, grace is no more grace.”

Is this teaching an anathema? For how long must we continue slandering? Even the Jewish faith, King David broke the law and was not saved by keeping it, yet he was nevertheless saved. David was a repentant servant of God. Calling Catholics legalists came from Martin Luther who drew this view from reading the correspondence between the Judaizers of Paul’s days and applied it to the Roman Catholics of his.

George Foote Moore and Claude Montefiore protested that Judaism was not legalistic, and that such a view of Judaism was a distortion of Jewish documentary sources.

Indeed, if biblical Judaism was legalistic, how could God then provide salvation to the Jews of the Old Testament? How could God be arbitrary selecting Israel as His plan for salvation if they were legalists? (See Claude G. Montefiore, “Judaism and St. Paul (London: Max Goschen, 1914).

And here comes my biggest dilemma: during my two-decade walk in many American churches, it was as if all the battles, struggles and martyrdoms, which the Catholic Church endured from the Muslims for over millennia was simply written off by my evangelical friends. These sold such wealth of Catholic history as Judas sold Jesus for thirty pieces of silver.

It’s heart breaking.

In two decades, I have never heard a mention of the contribution of Catholics fighting Islam in the battles of Poitiers, Lepanto and Vienna.

My struggle with so many anti-Catholics began when I pointed to the rich history of the Catholic struggles with Islam. To these, it didn’t matter that millions of Catholics and Eastern Orthodox were martyred under Islam’s scimitar; Islam to them was simply the ‘cleansing agent’ of Catholic heretics. I could not understand how could such a movement that is pro-Jew, yet be so anti-Catholic?

I slowly began to realize that in America being anti-Catholic is America’s ONLY Acceptable Prejudice.

Even historians agree, slandering Catholics, as John Highham described it is:

“the most luxuriant, tenacious tradition of paranoiac agitation in American history,” (Jenkins, Philip (1 April 2003). The New Anti-Catholicism: The Last Acceptable Prejudice. Oxford University Press. p. 23)

Historian Arthur Schlesinger Sr. has called Anti-Catholicism “the deepest-held bias in the history of the American people”. (“The Coming Catholic Church”. By David Gibson. HarperCollins: Published 2004.)

Indeed. America is a nation that isolates racism and addresses skin-color and gender as the only definition for racism, so much so, even though they exercise the least of this type of racism than any other nation on earth, yet they discuss racism more than any other nation on earth.

We even have come a long way in combating anti-Semitism to soon forget quickly the horrors of Nazism. We still openly denounce skinheads and neo-Nazis, yet when it comes to the slander of Catholicism and Catholics, America is not only silent, but also is still a major participant.

Bible believing Christians who are Anti-Catholics need to answer one question: why only Catholicism unites all haters? Why when it comes to Catholicism, they are all united; liberals, atheists, Mormons, feminists, Satanists, Scientologists, Jehova’s Witnesses, Seventh Day Advantists, Uniterians, Moslems and so many Bible believing Christians officially and doctrinally are all anti-Catholic? It is time that Evangelical Bible believing Christians be removed from this equation.

But perhaps I need to exercise an American tradition; I should have prequalified my statement and say that: I am not saying that protestants and evangelicals are all anti-Catholic, by God no, yet every time I praised Catholics, I found so many pin-pointing the leaven of the Pharisees without looking into the piles of heretical books written by so-called evangelicals who do much worse than the Pope kissing the Quran or that Nostra Aetate praised Islam. Yet even Pope Benedict criticized Nostra Aetate. I too hate some of what I see in Nostra Aetate and Second Vatican and find so many devils within the Catholic Church.

But is the Catholic rich history such an evil subject that warrants ignoring Catholic wars with Islam and that during Nazism, there were many more of these precious Catholics that chose to die in Hitler’s ovens than there were wonderful Protestants? It is a fact of history that Catholics lead any other religion in rescuing the highest numbers of Jews during Nazi Germany. Are all these Catholics damned to hell despite making a choice to enter Hitler’s furnace and save Jews? Which of the two is more pleasing to God, the evangelical health and wealth televangelist or the Jew loving Catholic who died in the infernos of Hitler’s crematoria?

From top preachers in America, we can see the terrible trend. John MacArthur, who is esteemed as a formidable and excellent Calvinist theologian, made a sermon in which he agreed with Charles Spurgeon when he declared that he would rather be called a devil than a priest, and that the Catholic Church is worse than Satan himself. MacArthur, in agreement with the statement, proclaimed the quote in his presentation:

“Call yourself a priest, sir! I wonder men are not ashamed to take the title: when I recollect what priests have done in all ages–what priests connected with the church of Rome have done, I repeat what I have often said: I would rather sooner a man pointed at me in the street and called me a devil, than called me a priest; for bad as the devil has been, he has hardly been able to match the crimes, cruelties, and villainies which have been transacted under the cover of a special priesthood.” (Macarthur on Youtube, http://youtu.be/7WbF-BZxu6s)

Christian author and conspiracy theorist Mark Dice stated:

“The Catholic Church, the popes, and bishops are basically the same as the Pharisees that Jesus denounced over 2000 years ago for their hypocrisy and their pride and arrogance due to their spiritual knowledge.” (The Vatican, Modern Day Pharisees, MarkDice.com)

Another evangelical author, S. Mason describes the Catholic Church as:

“The Pope declares the Catholic hierarchy to be the only ones allowed to interpret scriptures. Therefore, they elevate themselves as the Scribes and Pharisees of the Temple. Think on how Jesus described them HYPOCRITES! He described them as painted white sepulchers, looking god on the outside but smelling with the stench of death on the inside and filled with dead men’s bones.” (Mason S. Religion the Great Harlot in the Devil’s Playground, P.p. 81)

For more information refuting such accusations see [here] and [here]

Anti-Catholics simply transferred the term “Pharisee” from the Jew to the Catholic. Indeed, hating Catholics and Pharisees is America’s ONLY Accepted Prejudice.


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To: metmom

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401 posted on 08/30/2015 5:47:41 PM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: metmom

I wondered the same thing. Thought it was a new language.


402 posted on 08/30/2015 6:00:21 PM PDT by MamaB (Heb. 13:2)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

A friend posted this on FB, “God does not care about your church’s denomination, He only cares if Jesus attends your church.” Very fitting.


403 posted on 08/30/2015 6:04:56 PM PDT by MamaB (Heb. 13:2)
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To: verga
Scripture Completely supports the facts of Catholics.

Yup!

2 Corinthians 11:14
And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.



 
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_the_Sun

404 posted on 08/30/2015 6:12:11 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: verga

Nice safe statement there.

Only true in that Scripture doesn’t support things Catholicism teaches that aren’t fact. And there’s lots of non-facts that Catholicism teaches as doctrine under threat of eternal damnation.

So no points for you on that one.


405 posted on 08/30/2015 6:25:31 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: kinsman redeemer

It looks like my Scrabble tile tray.

Those are the kinds of letter I usually end up getting stuck with.


406 posted on 08/30/2015 6:26:37 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: kinsman redeemer

This is worthy of the Hall of Fame!

Fantastic!!!

When I decided to not join the Catholic Church, I found that I am right about everything.

:D

Hoss


407 posted on 08/30/2015 6:32:42 PM PDT by HossB86 (Christ, and Him alone.)
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To: MHGinTN
The material in #396 would make a nice Bible study for a month of Wednesdays.

Actually, we meet on Thursdays. 😅😂 Yes, there is a lot of good stuff there. Right now, we need to give them the milk of the Word. They are still trying to understand what it means to have saving faith, but progress is being made. I can't speak Bisaya, so I rely on another pastor to give them the deeper meaning of scripture in their native language. 🇵🇭 I haven't seen hunger for the truth like this in decades.
It refreshes the old bones. I know my bones are not as old as your bones, but you know what I mean. 😆😂😇😎
BTW bro, did you give anyone else the keys to your house, so that after the rapture, they don't have to break down the door, to help themselves to whatever you leave behind? 😫😩

408 posted on 08/30/2015 6:38:22 PM PDT by Mark17 (Heaven, where the only thing there that's been made by man are the scars in the hands of Jesus)
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To: MHGinTN
  1. Like Mormonism, "The Rapture" is a teaching largely invented in the 19th Century by Restorationist Christianity unhappy with the progress of Protestantism and was not taught in historical Christianity until recently.
  2. The term is not in the Bible.
  3. Some are so drunk on the prospect of "the Rapture" that they drink it from this passage, claiming the "falling away" is the Rapture. "Falling away" in the KJV is from the Greek word ἀποστασία (apostasy). It is sad and erroneous that they look for "The Rapture" in the great apostasy before the genuine coming of our LORD Jesus Christ.
  4. Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
    Second Thessalonians, Catholic chapter two, Protestant verses one to three,
    as authorized, but not authored, by King James

  5. When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven. Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.
    Acts, Catholic chapter one, Protestant verses six to twelve,
    as authorized, but not authored, by King James

  6. He descended into hell; the third day He rose again from the dead; He ascended into heaven, is seated at the right hand of God the Father Almighty; from thence He shall come to judge the living and the dead.
    From the Apostles' Creed
  7. On the third day he rose again in accordance with the Scriptures; he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end.
    from the Nicene Creed


409 posted on 08/30/2015 7:16:35 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: Mark17

Sadly, a couple of family members ...


410 posted on 08/30/2015 7:40:39 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: af_vet_1981
As to the old saw that the word is not in the Bible, the Latin Vulgate has the Latin word rapio in the 1 Cor 4:13-18 passage, and it is from that we get 'rapture'.

As to your addressing 'apostasia', the first five of six Bibles into English translated apostasia as departure, until the Catholic Rheims bible used revolt (in the midst of trying to fend off the protestant movement, it is 'understandable'. The King James translated the word apostasia from 2 Thess 2:3 as 'falling away'.

I keep posting material about the Bible references to the coming event in hopes that some will awaken to the reality about to slam into them from God. Harden not your heart. He is returning in the air, sooner than you could even imagine. If you have His Holy Spirit seal upon your spirit, it will resonate accordingly and you will be transformed, in a moment, int he twinkling of an eye, when the voice calls and the trumpet sounds.

If you do not have His Holy SPirit seal upon your spirit, when you are left here facing the wrath that is coming following the Rapture, call upon the Lord, not the catholic church. He will save. The catholic church cannot. God is sovereign over His Grace.

411 posted on 08/30/2015 7:49:19 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: MHGinTN
As to the old saw that the word is not in the Bible, the Latin Vulgate has the Latin word rapio in the 1 Cor 4:13-18 passage, and it is from that we get 'rapture'.

So you claim to get "The Rapture" from the Catholic translation of First Corinthians, Catholic chapter four, Protestant verses thirteen to eighteen ... preposterous; here is the Douay Reims translation. It is completely unrelated.

We are blasphemed, and we entreat; we are made as the refuse of this world, the offscouring of all even until now. I write not these things to confound you; but I admonish you as my dearest children. For if you have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet not many fathers. For in Christ Jesus, by the gospel, I have begotten you. Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me, as I also am of Christ. For this cause have I sent to you Timothy, who is my dearest son and faithful in the Lord; who will put you in mind of my ways, which are in Christ Jesus; as I teach everywhere in every church. 18 As if I would not come to you, so some are puffed up.

412 posted on 08/30/2015 7:57:46 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: MHGinTN
As to your addressing 'apostasia', the first five of six Bibles into English translated apostasia as departure, until the Catholic Rheims bible used revolt (in the midst of trying to fend off the protestant movement, it is 'understandable'. The King James translated the word apostasia from 2 Thess 2:3 as 'falling away'.

You keep trying to convince everyone that apostasy is their great hope ...

413 posted on 08/30/2015 7:59:07 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981
To perhaps help you out, I'll post the verses following the ones you posted (2 Thess 2:4-11), since they indicate that The Restrainer will be taken out of the way, and that IS The Holy Spirit indwelling believers ... and the believers with His Spirit indwelling are to be taken out of the way so the lawlessness can be loosed and the Wrath of God poured out.

2 Thessalonians 2: 3-11
World English Bible

1Now, brothers, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering together to him, we ask you not to be quickly shaken in your mind, nor yet be troubled, either by spirit, or by word, or by letter as from us, saying that the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For it will not be, unless the departure comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of destruction, he who opposes and exalts himself against all that is called God or that is worshiped; so that he sits as God in the temple of God, setting himself up as God. Don't you remember that, when I was still with you, I told you these things? Now you know what is restraining him, to the end that he may be revealed in his own season. For the mystery of lawlessness already works. Only there is one who restrains now, until he is taken out of the way. Then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will kill with the breath of his mouth, and destroy by the manifestation of his coming; even he whose coming is according to the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, and with all deception of wickedness for those who are being lost, because they didn't receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 Because of this, God sends them a working of error, that they should believe a lie; that they all might be judged who didn't believe the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Section Headings Courtesy BereanBible.com
© 2013, 2014 Used by Permission

Beware the 'working error for it will prevent so many from calling out to the Lord for deliverance after the Rapture takes the body of believers, the Body of Christ, The Bride of Christ out from the coming wrath; (see Rev 3, the Philadeplphia Church was promised to be kept even from the hour of the testing, much less the actual testing.)

414 posted on 08/30/2015 7:59:40 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: MHGinTN
I keep posting material about the Bible references to the coming event in hopes that some will awaken to the reality about to slam into them from God. Harden not your heart. He is returning in the air, sooner than you could even imagine. If you have His Holy Spirit seal upon your spirit, it will resonate accordingly and you will be transformed, in a moment, int he twinkling of an eye, when the voice calls and the trumpet sounds.

I just posted the scripture where the Apostle Paul told us not to listen to people teaching like you are teaching.

415 posted on 08/30/2015 8:01:09 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981
Oops! My mistake. It should read 1 Thess 4:13-18. You really enjoy jumping on that though. ;o)
416 posted on 08/30/2015 8:04:01 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: MHGinTN
Apostasy is a bad thing; wake up and strengthen the things that remain. Stop looking forward to the apostasy as your great hope.
417 posted on 08/30/2015 8:04:58 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981

Um, no, that is not what Paul was telling the Thessalonians. He was telling them to not be led astray by a false letter supposedly from him but not his writing. He even started putting his hand to the closings despite his failing eyesight, so the readers of his letters would know it was from him, hopefully.


418 posted on 08/30/2015 8:05:54 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: af_vet_1981

Sorry Charlie tuna, I am looking for what God has revealed is coming very soon, the Rapture of His body of actual ‘faithers’. The Real Church, the Body of Christ, The Bride of Christ. You could be included!


419 posted on 08/30/2015 8:07:55 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: MHGinTN
Oops! My mistake. It should read 1 Thess 4:13-18. You really enjoy jumping on that though. ;o)

If it is your mistake, why are you blaming me ?

Now that you want Latin Rite Catholics so you can use the Latin word rapiemur and derive the word "rapture" from it, here is a Catholic approved translation showing "the Rapture" is the gathering up of the saints in the air to meet the LORD Jesus Christ in the clouds as he returns to earth the same way he ascended from the earth, ie., in the Second Coming the angels told the Apostles about; He is coming to judge the living and the dead. This happens after the apostasy, just as the Apostle Paul wrote.

We do not want you to be unaware, brothers, about those who have fallen asleep, so that you may not grieve like the rest, who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose, so too will God, through Jesus, bring with him those who have fallen asleep. Indeed, we tell you this, on the word of the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will surely not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself, with a word of command, with the voice of an archangel and with the trumpet of God, will come down from heaven, and the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. Thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore, console one another with these words.
First Thessalonians, Catholic chapter four, Protestant verses thirteen to eighteen,
The New American Bible, Revised Edition (NABRE)

420 posted on 08/30/2015 8:20:27 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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