Posted on 08/17/2015 6:07:35 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
No.
There’s not a thing in the world that is logical in a Catholic’s adoration of Mary.
I notice that Scripture is lacking from our list of accomplishments.
That does explain a lot.
Just out of curiosity, Mary was very respected and loved by the Apostles and disciples of Christ....If she died and was buried, why doesn't anyone know where????....they marked and honored the burial places of people a lot less important than the mother of their savior.
no
Instead of belittling my honest question, why didn't you answer it????...............I thought so.
How about showing me, where Jesus Christ declared the Paraclete to be God? Or vice versa?
When the prots protest Mary to be the Mother of God without biblical evidence; they also can’t claim belief in the Holy Trinity.
Once again: Chapter and verse, please!
to whom??
Show me where the Holy Ghost calls Jesus, God. Or vice versa.
Catholics, real ones, never have to ask that question......
Yup, and I think that Christ came to Earth as an infant, grew and matured, gathered a group of Apostles, drew many disciples, formed His church on Earth, promised it infallible powers, instituted the Eucharist as His everlasting method to be physically with mankind until the end of time, and named Peter His first representative on Earth......
I think that they come just before......or is it just after the words of Christ Himself when He said Take and eat of this "THIS IS MY BODY".........oh, sorry, you don't believe that either.....PATHETIC.
HEY....She's a nice lady and Jesus' mom!!
Nope, Catechism class, Catholic teachings, answers from the clergy.......all had to do with scripture.....if you mean did I try to interpret the biblical scriptures on my own, ...the answer is NO. The Catholic church is the only source of Biblical interpretation which is protected by Christ's promise of infallibility.....I see how others interpret things to suit their needs and opinions and the error of their ways is quite apparent......
One of the greatest mistakes that protestants made during the revolution was to give up Christ in the Eucharist.......how very sad for them.
You will have to excuse me, I have several catholic friends over right now. You know what we are doing. 😀😁😂😅😄😃😆
Not irrelevant. Just an inconvenient piece of data your model omits.
Yup, one of us is right and I'll take my chances with the church that Christ founded rather than the navigators that some man came up with in the 1930's or thereabouts....somehow 2,000 years of following Christ with 1.4 BILLION members impresses me a little.
What evidence from God's Word proves this? Once Jesus' public ministry began, she was treated certainly no better than any other woman. Compare Jesus' praise for the Syrophoenician mother - Matthew 15:28 - Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And the anointing at Simon the leper's house - Matthew 26:10-13 - Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this gospel shall be preached in the whole world, there shall also this, that this woman hath done, be told for a memorial of her.
Contrast Jesus' praise of the above two with his correction of Mary and his brethren.
Mark 3:31-35 (KJV) - 31 There came then his brethren and his mother, and, standing without, sent unto him, calling him. 32 And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee. 33 And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren? 34 And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! 35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.
If Mary was such a bigwig in the Apostolic Age, why does she disappear from the New Testament after Acts 1, where she is simply listed among the Believers waiting for the Holy Spirit? And why, in Paul's letters to the Church, the foundation of God's Revelation to the Body of Christ, is she never even mentioned? She is not even listed in Hebrews 11, a chapter recounting the great faith heroes of the Bible! At the very least, that's worthy of careful consideration. Surely, if God wants us to worship, adore, or honor Mary in any substantive way, she would have a prominent place there! Heck, even Rahab the harlot gets a mention in Hebrews 11 AND James.
If she died and was buried, why doesn't anyone know where?
It would take me an afternoon to locate my grandparents graves and I was at their funeral! Imagine several hundreds of years, multiple wars, as well as the dispersion of the Jews in Israel, and its not so hard to imagine that a lot of graves were lost, robbed, or forgotten. The Jews and Roman subjects who remained would have little interest in the grave of the mother of a crucified criminal. Is it really so hard to believe that she died, was buried, and over time people simply forgot? Could it be possible that the immense attention Rome pays Mary is the result of centuries of compounded religious tradition, and as shown in Scripture, Mary was simply not placed on the pedestal by 1st Century Believers the same way the religious do today? Perhaps she always remained the humble, self-proclaimed "handmaid of the Lord" and lived out her life as God directed?
Why would BELIEVERS, people made alive in Christ and seated in Heavenly places, care where her body was buried? ITS NOT ABOUT HER anymore than it is about Peter, Paul, John, or any OT prophet or king. We don't worship the dead, but a risen Savior, who alone is worthy of praise. The entirety of Scripture has one clear purpose - Jesus. And while many kings, prophets, apostles, servants, men, and women, played their parts, the ONLY star of the Book is JESUS. He deserves ALL the attention because Believers are COMPLETE IN HIM. Introducing fables, religious speculation, and the reasoning of men, diminishes the simplicity and Glory of God's Truth. Paul warns of this very thing - Colossians 2:8 (KJV) - 8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Believers should keep their focus on Jesus, expecting His coming appearance, and not be distracted by religion.
I really do sympathize with you; I would like to help you. You must take the first step by honestly disclosing the broad category of the sect to which you belong if I’m to break bread, as it were, with you.
“Yup, and I think that Christ came to Earth as an infant, grew and matured, gathered a group of Apostles, drew many disciples, formed His church on Earth”
Well you almost had it until you started with all the devilish man made stuff.
Now IAW Holy Scriptures Jesus is with us 24/7 because he physically lives within us.
Romans 8:10
But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life because of righteousness.
Galatians 2:20
I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.
Ephesians 3:17
so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love,
Colossians 1:27
To them God has chosen to make known among the Gentiles the glorious riches of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.
2 Corinthians 13:5
Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you—unless, of course, you fail the test?
Unfortunately you fail the test because by your own admission you must eat a wafer to have him physically in you. Thus you are only born of the flesh.
John 3:6
Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.
IF you where born again as the Holy Scripture demands of ALL believers you would know and feel his presence.
John 3:7
You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.
You might want to read the story about the Jews wanting a leader on earth while God wanted to be their only leader. God doesn’t need a man leader he is fully capable of leading his children. It didn’t work well for them as he promised that it wouldn’t, but they did it anyways.
1 Samuel 8:6-9New International Version (NIV)
6 But when they said, “Give us a king to lead us,” this displeased Samuel; so he prayed to the Lord. 7 And the Lord told him: “Listen to all that the people are saying to you; it is not you they have rejected, but they have rejected me as their king. 8 As they have done from the day I brought them up out of Egypt until this day, forsaking me and serving other gods, so they are doing to you. 9 Now listen to them; but warn them solemnly and let them know what the king who will reign over them will claim as his rights.”
The RCC has fallen just as Israel has because all man is sinful and thus can’t lead us to a Holy life. This is exactly why you worship false and molten images just as they did.
Romans 3:23
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God
This is why Jesus didn’t appoint any leaders while he was with us! Only sinful man would crave that power and position.
Colossians 1:18
And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.
Luke 9:46-48
46 An argument started among the disciples as to which of them would be the greatest. 47 Jesus, knowing their thoughts, took a little child and had him stand beside him. 48 Then he said to them, “Whoever welcomes this little child in my name welcomes me; and whoever welcomes me welcomes the one who sent me. For it is the one who is least among you all who is the greatest.”
This was the perfect opportunity for Jesus to appoint someone, but he did the exact opposite.
Revelation 21:14
The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
Notice all twelve apostles of Jesus.
“1.4 BILLION members”
Count up all the non Jesus believing Jews for the last 2000 years and they will beat that membership hands down, but unless they believe in Jesus Christ IAW with Holy Scriptures and not some man made doctrine they will go to Hell. Sorry, but numbers don’t equal salvation.
Matthew 7:21-23New International Version (NIV)
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
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