Posted on 08/17/2015 6:07:35 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
You see my point.
Similarly, anyone who worships the Creator of the Universe is worshiping the Trinity, whether they know it or not (just like the ancient Greeks, as St. Paul acknowledged).
Which, true to course, is making it personal by inferring i my conclusions are due to bias and not objective reasoning.
Any Christian should be able to freely confess these two truths. Mary is the mother of God (with us).
Your own use of the qualifier (with us) thus clarifying that what is meant is that Mary is the mother of God "manifest in the flesh" (akin to Rm. 9:5), itself testifies to the problem of the unqualified use of "Mother of God.
Jesus is God the Son.
Yet which I do and manifestly did confess, even by providing you with abundant evidence as "affirming Jesus Christ is God the Son in response to the question!" But instead of acknowledging that you basically played inquisitor and required i submit to your demand for a certain statement affirming what i never denied and abundantly evidenced!
Then, in refuting the premise that despite abundant testimony that Jesus is God the Son, yet a specific explicit statement is required, I pointed out to you that even the Holy Spirit
does not provide "the phrase Jesus is God the Son or "God the Son" or even Jesus is God. Thus according to your demand for this explicit statement it must be questionable that the Holy Spirit believes Jesus is God the Son, or even that Jesus is God,"
Yet to which you responded with the snide spitwad conclusion, Thank you for expressing what you believe.
And now you presume your insolence still warrants a reply?! By this and many other past response you have only further relegated yourself to the class of certain other unreason-able RC double-standard devotees who rarely warrant replies except to expose them to the unlearned.
Take a hike.
You seem quite fond of repeating that phrase. I'm wondering who taught you that LIE? Jesus did not establish and organization, He started building HIS ekklesia of spiritual new borns, who were at the beginning ALL JEWS, not catholics.
Men who sought and enjoyed power started the organization and different religion known as catholiciism today. That religion is hallmarked by pagan idol worship, eating the god of that religion, raising dead people to positions of mediators, and a host of other habits, all asserted to be essential to obtain eternal life. Of course it is ONLY God Who can place His eternal life in the born from above, who are born by HIS Grace not their striving and pride-filled works of specious righteousness.
So, where did you obtain this LIE that Jesus established an organization? From the catholic catechisms? From roman catholic priests? A pope? ... If you say from God you learned this LIE, then the truth is not in you because Jesus is building even today His ekklesia of believers in His Saving Grace, not their filthy rags works.
There are a lot of synonyms for such.
Can God sin? ... You really should spend more time in The Word of God and less time in video gaming.
For all practical purposes, that’s about what it amounts to, no matter how they redefine words and explain away actions.
metmom, do you agree with what Faith Presses On wrote in his post, as follows:
I was just thinking the other day in response to some articles on this subject that the Catholic charge against Bible-believing Protestants makes no sense. We DO believe Mary is “the mother of God” in the sense that we believe that Jesus was and is God. We aren’t Jehovah’s Witnesses, for example. Jesus was and is God, and Mary is His mother. Through her, God entered the world in human form. We agree with all that, and that’s one of the things we actually agree on in a formal sense.
And interestingly, too, Wikipedia says that “Theotokos” means something like “the one who gives birth to God,” rather than “Mother of God.” To that, Catholics would say, “mother” means “one who gives birth to.” Yet, the word “mother” isn’t used. So why should they have trouble with Protestants saying to them that Mary is the mother of Jesus, or the Christ? After all, even if the word God isn’t used, we believe Jesus Christ is God, so it is implicit in the belief that Mary is the mother of Jesus Christ, and hence, God - so long as someone believes that Jesus was and is God.
And then, furthermore, they say they believe just as we do - that Mary isn’t the mother of the eternal God. That isn’t what they mean by “Mother of God.” They mean that she is the mother of the Son of God in His Incarnation.
If you believe Mary is the mother of God (with us) and Jesus is God the Son, then yes, a simple, straightforward reply is warranted. If not, you need not add to your previous reply referring to the Holy Spirit. As I already mentioned, your question pointing to your own blog was inconclusive. It but requires a simple "yes" or "no" to answer. It is not complicated. Continuing to make it personal is unwarranted.
How many names do you post under at Freerepublic.com?
That’s not what the ccc says however.
More than just scary. These are what keep voting democratrs to power. The hypocrisy is palpable.
I can't believe that you have not received a reply to this yet /SARC.
Maybe we should ask another non-Catholic:
Tell me which of the following syllogism are valid, and which are invalid. If you are capable of doing so, that will demonstrate that you can recognize the fallacy of the undistributed middle. If you can’t, you can’t.
A:
Dorothy is the mother of Sam.
Sam is a fireman.
Dorothy is the mother of a fireman.
B:
Evelyn is the mother of a fireman.
Gordon is a fireman.
Evelyn is the mother of Gordon.
C:
Mary is the mother of Jesus.
Jesus is God.
Mary is the mother of God.
D:
Mary is the Mother of God.
The Trinity is God.
Mary is the Mother of the Trinity.
And there we have it......
Right from a Catholic.
Using regular English punctuation is now "scare quotes"?
Mary is not the mother of God. Mary was the mother of Jesus.
Return to your pigeons. You’re in over your head.
In which case, the term *mother of Jesus* is adequate for the task and should be used, just as the Holy Spirit did when He inspired Scripture to be written.
Wow another personal attack rather than rebutting the argument. I really wish I could say I was surprised, but I am never am at the ignorance of the non-Catholic Christian posers.
I guess HE was wrong; considering how your 7 CATHOLIC churches in ASIA were described by what the angel told John to write.
That’s what the hare was thinking; too.
Matthew 3:15 Douay-Rheims Bible
And Jesus answering, said to him: Suffer it to be so now. For so it becometh us to fulfill all justice. Then he suffered him.
Just WHERE is baptism even MENTIONED in the LAW?
I think you are avoiding the Greek Lord/GOD thing.
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