Posted on 07/21/2015 3:54:04 AM PDT by JPX2011
ROME – This morning, Pope Francis formally announced Father Robert Barron's appointment as auxiliary bishop of the Archdiocese of Los Angeles.
Bishop-Elect Barron is the founder of Word on Fire Catholic Ministries, host of the award-winning CATHOLICISM film series, and since 2012 has served as the Rector/President of the University of Saint Mary of the Lake/Mundelein Seminary outside of Chicago, IL.
His website, WordOnFire.org, reaches millions of people each year. His regular YouTube videos have been viewed over 13 million times. Next to Pope Francis, he is the most-followed Catholic leader on social media.
(Excerpt) Read more at wordonfire.org ...
Apparently everything and everyone about the Catholic Church has been "evolving over time."
Just like Obama.
Wow! Just like Genesis!
Cardinal Newman said further that the Syllabus has no dogmatic force.
Wow. Well I guess that settles it.
Newman also believed in evolution, so I guess that settles that too.
A-HA! I knew it!
What I have posted can be easily verified, as he promotes his odd speculations in various online videos. Here is the link to his video on hell:
Fr. Robert Barron on Whether Hell is Crowded or Empty
Fr. Barron: "Hell, or Gehenna, the fire, all that -- those are spatial and visual metaphors for the state of deep loneliness that comes from having rejected the Divine Love. That's how I put it. Hell is not so much a place...it's a condition, a state of being..."
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Unfortunately, Fr. Barron's speculations regarding hell conflict with the Credo.
Credo: "He descended into hell".
If Hell is "the state of deep loneliness that comes from having rejected the Divine Love", for Christ to "descend" to this state would necessitate a rejection of Himself. Father Barron's view of Hell can only be true if the Credo is not.
Apologies for the lateness of my reply. Yesterday was treatment day, and that pretty much wipes out the day.
I don't know what exactly to make of these visions. Are they descriptions of what is, or of what could be? I do notice the words givem by Our Lady in the prayer: O my Jesus, save us from the fires of Hell, lead ALL souls to Heaven, especially those in need most of Thy Mercy.
I see that we are commended to pray for ALL souls. I take that as meaning that it is possible that each soul could be saved. If each soul can be saved, then it is possible (though unlikely) that all souls could be saved.
sitetest
Of course God desires all souls to go to Heaven. But that doesn’t mean all souls will. Christ explicitly told us that many would not. Who are we to doubt Christ?
If God desires it, then I will desire and hope for it, no matter how unlikely. I have read that some theologians say that Jesus’ words may be more in the manner of warning. I am not theologically knowledgeable enough to dispute on the issue.
I do not dispute the existence of Hell. I do not dispute the real possibility, even the likelihood, that many souls wind up in Hell. I merely desire what God desires, and hope for it.
sitetest
God also desires that each and every man commits no sins.
Do you hope that all men have not committed any sins? If not, why the need for the Sacrament of Confession?
Do you understand the Church’s definition of mortal sin and why it’s called “mortal”?
Praying for you, sitetest.
I see that we are commended to pray for ALL souls. I take that as meaning that it is possible that each soul could be saved.
Here is a clear explanation by Fr. Gregory Hesse. (Fr. Hesse was appointed theologian by the Holy Father, John Paul II. He has his Doctorate from the Pontifical University in Rome in theology and canon law. Fr. Hesse spent 15 years in Rome and was the secretary for Cardinal Stickler for 2 years.):
Act and Potency: (entire philosophy of St. Thomas Aquinas is based on this distinction).
"Any thing that is can be in two ways, Actually or Potentially. The new philosophy / theology does not use these distinctions. When John Paul II says “all people are saved” is he correct? If he means potentially, then he is correct. If he means actually then he is in error. Our Lord says many go to the wide and broad way to hell. The Pope does not distinguish between act and potency."
http://catholicapologetics.info/modernproblems/vatican2/documents.htm
It appears you hope for what Christ preached to be false: that Hell has no human souls. Do I have that right?
Look who else took issue with the Syllabus of Errors (probably a surprise to many traditional Catholics here):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNMZ6-9qRvE
“counter-syllabus”. Kinda like Counter Church?
Reason: Ecumenism
The Catholic Church thought Genesis could be an allegory back in St. Augustine’s time. And the Church grew rapidly after that, so your theory is proven wrong.
And you are wrong in that the Church requires or reduces Genesis to an allegory. The Church merely recognizes subtext in the Bible.
If you think that the literal meaning is the only possible meaning of the Bible, then you are missing out on so much. Isaiah, for example spoke of Christ in the future allegorically and Israel literally in the present time in the same verses.
If you want to call me a liberal, and call all Catholics as liberals because they interpret verses, especially in Genesis, such as Genesis 3:15 in multiple ways, then I guess I am a flaming liberal.
I take it you are not Catholic then. Please ease up on the Catholic criticism, as Jim Robinson asked a few days ago. Thank you.
I cannot hope to change the past. Folks have sinned. I cannot undo that. I am unaware of the status of folks’ souls, and thus can hope that all are saved. I could also hope that we will all stop sinning in the future, but that doesn’t seem very likely to happen.
I hope that what Jesus preached was a warning, and not a description. But I could easily be wrong, and accept my own fallibility.
I very much appreciate your prayers.
I also appreciate the link, but do not have the energy to read such things at this time. I spend only a little while per day at my computer with social media. It’s good for me, but it wears me out.
Thanks again for your kindness.
The above sounds like not only a warning but a statement of fact. Or do you think Christ issued a false threat just to scare us? Honest question.
I am keeping you in my prayers, sitetest, for a healthy recovery.
To me, it sounds like a description. But I’ve read theologians who are more knowledgable than me who say it could be read as a warning.
And, thank you for your prayers.
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