Posted on 06/29/2015 11:23:16 AM PDT by RnMomof7
Since forgery is such a vital aprt of the religion you follow, how do you know you’re not posting deceptions as your proof sources? Run, Forrest, run it. Run the scam faster.
Of course that would be your response. If history does not support you just pretend that it does not exist. The authenticity of the False Decretals was first questioned by Catholic scholars. As for the quotations I have given, there are multiple sources for their authenticity. Even the Orthodox do not question their authenticity even though they would downplay or ignore their significance. The charge that they are too Catholic and thus must be forgeries is not scholarship. You might still hold that the Bible does not support Papal primacy but you cannot argue that it was not known by the ancient church or was never accepted by the Eastern church. To maintain such a position in the face of historical evidence to the contrary would just call into question one’s honesty and weaken one’s position in other areas.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3305743/posts?page=81#81
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3305743/posts?page=63#63
Your Pope and his cadre will lead catholics right into the chrislam movement with catholics like you praising his ecumenism.
I did question the Scriptures but the reason you accept them as Scripture. Mark and Luke were not written by apostles, why should they be considered Scripture? Hebrews does not claim to be written by Paul, why should it be considered Scripture? The canonical status of Hebrews, James 2 Peter, 2 John, 3 John, Jude and Revelation was disputed in the early church. Why should we accept them now? The canonical status of the Deuterocanonical/Apocrahphal books were also disputed in the early church. On what basis do we accept or reject them? On what basis do we reject the claims of the Apocryphal/Pseudepigraphal books to be Scripture?
I have an answer to these questions. I accept those books accepted by the Catholic Church because the bishops of the church are the rightful pastors established be Jesus Christ. On what grounds do you answer these questions? A response of "I know what is Scripture because I know what is Scripture" is not rational. Nor is "God tells us what is Scripture" without answering by what means has God done so.
By the way, I have noticed your tendency to avoid responding to the points that I have made and your attempts to redirect the discussion to other areas. Clearly this is an indication of the weakness of your position.
When posting a reference to what another member said, please include a link.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
Mindreading is a form of making it personal.
When a catholic teaching cannot be made to line up equally between scripture and traditions of the RCC, then the 'magicsteeringthem', the total of all bishops of the RCC, is elevated to superiority, to twist either the tradition or the scriptures so the two line up equally.
If I spent time refuting the foolery posted by RCCs to support their false religion, I would not get to present the True Gospel to stand in sharp contrast. So here is the Truth Gospel as the Bible reveals it, from the Upper Room discourse to the Revelation of John:
* There is ONLY one Way to God, Jesus Christ The Righteous
*There is ONLY ONE way to obtain His Deliverance for you, believe He is the One God sent for that Deliverance
*There is only One Way for God's Life to be indwelling you, by God placing His Life in you
*There is only one moment of being Born from Above and God draws each to it and accomplishes it Himself in you by His Holy Spirit
*There is only His Way and it is not offered in the Roman Catholic Church
The RCC teaches that salvation is on the installment plan. That's false teaching, may it be anathema.
God declares in His Word that Salvation thus Justification is an immediate event, a reality in the present of belief and by His Promise can never be stumbled out of through 'venial' sins.
The RCC teaches sacrament worship as a means to salvation in the installment plan. That is false teaching and even goes further to indoctrinate adherents that they consume the literal body, blood, soul and spirit of Jesus Christ in the catholic wafer eucharist.
The RCC teaches adherents that they are Justified with water baptism BUT they can fall from this Justification with venial sins and moral sins so they have to come to the RCC opriesthood to confess sin and be re-justified. This is anathema because it at once declares there are sins which the Blood of Jesus could not cover once for all, forever.
The RCC teaches that their popes go in unbroken succession back to Peter, and that ALL popes are infaliible and have been infallible when teaching on faith and morals. But Peter is rebuked by Paul for teaching, through his actions, hypocrisy and even leading Barnabus astray in this same hypocrisy.
When we on these threads ignore the constant drone of blind subservience to the traditions of RCC we are doing the droner a favor, because the exposure of the heresies which are the hallmark of RCC stand condemned by God in His Word.
There are several on these threads trying to sound the alarm for catholics who stand condemned by their rejection of Salvation/Justification by faithe alone and the immediate presence of God's life in them. That is the Gospel of the New Covenant, Justification by Faithe alone and God's Life in you by His power and His Promise that you have eternal assurance as an adopted member of His Jesus family.
Catholicism apologists purposely conflate the Justification with the sanctification, because it empowers the nicolaitan priesthood to work catholics back into a state of grace, as if they can deal out God's Grace by their magic.
The 53 beads of the Rosary are a sneaky 'indulgence' teaching that repeating these 53 prayers to the mary of Catholicism will reduce time in purgatory, paying the penalty that the blood of Christ was not able to cover.
The brown scalpula is another subtle indulgence scam, teaching catholics that wearing it will at the moment of death enjoin their mary to bring you from purgatory the first Saturday after your death, and that kissing this thing will reduce the punishments in purgatory!
The catholic church has added all sorts of 'traditions' which are not found in the first century church which was established by Apostolic teaching and writing.
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**There is ONLY one Way to God, Jesus Christ The Righteous**
Exactly.
And that is what the Catholic Church believes.
Really? You really want to keep that blindfold so tightly around your eyes? The catholic church teaches salvation on the installment plan. The catholic church rejects the blood of Christ as sufficient for all of one’s sins, so the opriesthood must re-up the fallen from grace, as if the magic priesthood can manipulate God’s Grace. The roman catholic church teaches adherents to LITERALLY consume the body, blood, soul and spirit of Jesus Christ at the Mass wafer ceremony, as if they can eat God’s life into them, as if they can manipulate Jesus Christ as a repeat sufferer anytime the catholic opiesthood sets the wafer on the catholic altar. You really want to endorse that?
If you're interested in discussion, you should post these things one a day until you run out of tendentious and misinformed statements. (That should keep you going until Christ comes again.)
Then we can whack them one at a time.
Otherwise, it's like you're pitching a dozen balls at Yogi Berra simultaneously, and then declaring him "out" when he only connects with two per swing.
I do have some writing to do (not for FR.) Won't be on here regularly for another week.
Have fun, guys.
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Peter, for his part, was exhorting Jesus not to go to Jerusalem (out of love for Jesus), fearing danger for Jesus.
Jesus knew he would be doing God’s will, going to his execution, and not his own (human) will nor Peter’s (which he even addressed in his own human way in the Garden of Gethsemani, “Lord, take this cup from me.” No Answer. Follow on by Jesus, “Thy will be done.”).
The catholic priest, according to paragraph 1367 offers a bloodless sacrifice for sins in the 'holy wafer of redemption'. So the one thing not in the wafer at Mass is the only thing that is efficacious for forgiveness of sins, the blood of Christ!Additionally, the Mass is described by Fr. John O'Brien in his book as follows: "The Priest reaches up into the heavens and brings Christ down from His throne, and places Him upon our altar to be offered up again as the victim for the sins of man."
I wonder how many catholics are even able to see not only the absurdity in such a claim but the heresy in such a claim? Jesus said outright that He is not a victim, He gives up His Life willingly. No earthly cultish priest can reach into the Throne room and usher Jesus to the altar to be re=sacrificed again and again and again ... and to say amen every time the magic priesthood raises the wafer and says 'The Body of Christ' is to agree to the heresy that in the wafer "The whole Christ is truly, really, and substantially contained." (paragraph 1374 of the RCC sicktates)
Would you catholics like to have the RCC magic regarding the RCC Mary posted?
How about this context: Peter taught hypocrisy and was rebuked for it by Paul, publicly (see Galatians). So the ‘so called’ unbroken succession of infallible popery when teaching on faith and or morals is broken with Peter being fallible teaching hypocrisy with his actions and dragging Barnabus along with the hypocrisy.
‘comprehensive collection of misrepresentations about Catholic doctrine’ aside from the specious accusation, it is no where near a comprehensive collection. There’s lots mopre for readers, to help them flee from the rot that is Catholicism, the modern nicolaitan sludge.
Mean while in the Middle east there is no end to the attacks on Christians of all stripes. The federal government through SCOTUS has stated that the states can't prohibit same sex unions. How long will it be before they try to force religious institutions to perform those ceremonies.
Keep fighting among yourselves the government and the muslims will be very pleased.
When we are gone, you will have all the unopposed time you need to 'fight the good fight', but only Christ will save you from yourself and the world around. We are at war, with the world, the flesh, and the devil. We'll leave the easy stuff to those who don't believe they need God on their side.
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