6 Things Jimmy Akin Won’t Tell You about the Pope’s New Encyclical

The Remnant Newspaper ^ | June 22, 2015 | Hillary White

[Elsie]

Only God can perform a miraculous healing.

I'm just SURE you have some data to BACK UP this bold statement; right?

[Elsie]

Investigate church approved miracles, you might learn something interesting.

Investigate church DISproved miracles, you might learn something as well....

[Elsie]

We just don’t take the word as the word we live the word. ...and then some.

[Elsie]

But I am not going to exclude them either when God has something to tell us.

There you go; saying what we've been TOLD in the Scriptures is NOT enough.

[Elsie]

1 Corinthians 1:22
For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

For the Catholics love signs; but the Protestants rely on Scripture.

[Elsie]

I can guarantee you it is harder for the church to approve a miracle then it is anywhere else.

Why WASTE the time?

We are not discussing miracles to have faith in Jesus.

[Elsie]

But, I put my faith in God, not in man.

How about WOMAN?

Do you dutifully do your daily Hail Marys??

[Elsie]

I thought that Jesus gave the first apostles (and POPE!) everything to teach correctly.

Why all the need to re-hash everything?

Over and over and over and over and over and over...

[Elsie]

He sent the prophets...

"They have Moses and the prophets. Let them listen to them."

Luke 16:29

[Elsie]

<>The only facts you have presented are ones you believe are true. I know what I believe is true.

Of COURSE you do!

We are merely trying to find out what you believe is based on FACTS!

[Elsie]

I know what I believe is true.

Uh...

Which is it?

You KNOW?

Or you BELIEVE?

[Elsie]

He said, “This is my body...” “...this is my blood...”

He said, “You brood of vipers"; "You blind men".

[piusv]

Many of our saints were not great theological minds, so I believe the excuse that Francis is not a great theological mind is a red herring (not to mention that I think you are totally off base that he's dumb....he knows exactly what he's doing and saying). Any contradictions on his part have more to do with his Modernism (heresy) than who writes his speeches. Modernists are notorious for getting things right some of the time. A little heresy along with orthodoxy goes a long way.

Popes are expected to know and teach the CATHOLIC FAITH. Are we to believe that all clerics post Vatican II, given the so-called poor seminary teaching, get a pass? Are you trying to tell me that these seminaries taught "ecumenism of blood"? pantheism?

Besides all of this, Van Noort teaches that the main issue is not material or formal, but public vs private or what is also called manifest vs occult heresy. He states, If public material heretics remained members of the Church, the visibility and unity of Christ's Church would perish. Except for a man walking around in white, where is the visibility and unity under Francis? Of all people, a pope should get a pass for invincible ignorance when the visibility and unity of the Church are on the line? Really?

I get that you're being cautious but I've been watching this guy for two years now. As far as I'm concerned he is a fraud.

[piusv]

Sorry, since you were part of this conversation, I meant to ping you to #213.

[CynicalBear]

But when the apostles wanted to talk with them they were told to listen to Jesus and were NOT allowed to talk with Moses and Elijah. Take a hint Catholics.

[CynicalBear]

>>Makes you wonder if they’ve actually read the story!<<

Through the lens of the Catholic twisting at most.

[CynicalBear]

>>As I expected when confronted with the facts.<<

It is rather predictable isn't it. Either they duck out or change the subject.

[metmom]

He said, “I am the door”, “I am the vine”, “I am the way”, I am the bread”.

By Catholic reasoning, He is made of wood, plant material, dirt, and bread dough (flour).

When re-enacting scenes whether on paper or with objects, something like a car accident, you set it up and say *This is me and this is the other guy*. Well, everyone knows that those figures are just representations, that you’re not really saying that that is you in your essence and reality.

Passover was a ceremony of REMEMBRANCE, the different aspects of it looking forward to the Messiah, each representing a different aspect of Him. When Jesus was doing the last supper, He was explaining to the disciples what the different aspects of the Passover Seder were showing them. He held up the bread and the cup and said, *This is my body...., this is my blood*. IOW, this aspect of the Passover meal represents this aspect of me. It fits in PERFECTLY with the rest of Scripture and does not contradict one single teaching of it found anywhere else.

So you ever get hungry again? Or thirsty? Or are you expecting to die? If literal, physical eating is demanded by Catholics, then consistency in interpreting the Bible passages demands that the rest of what He said be taken literally and physically, so that you will literally, physically never become hungry again, never literally physically become thirsty again, and never literally, physically die.

Otherwise, when Catholics pick and choose on a verse by verse basis which to take literally and which to take figuratively, they can be rightly suspected of having an agenda and misusing the word of God to further it.

In John 6 Jesus also says that the flesh profits nothing, it is the SPIRIT which gives life and Peter said that Jesus had the words of eternal life. Jesus told us that man does not live by bread alone but by every WORD that proceeds from the mouth of God.

Using physical objects to represent spiritual realities to us thick headed human beings is not uncommon in Scripture. It’s used everywhere. It helps us understand it. This is no different because our performing physical actions does not cause spiritual reality to happen. It shows us in a way that makes sense and will stick with us. Faith in God, believing Him, is the key. Not faith in the church or in sacraments or rituals.

Without faith in God, it is IMPOSSIBLE to please God.

Abraham believed God and it was credited to him as righteousness, before he ever did a thing but believe Him.

[metmom]

He never said a LOT of things! So this allows Rome to INVENT whatever it wishes?

It appears so.

[daniel1212]

t is sad you try to put God in a box. He is all powerful, He can do what He wants and He can send who he wants to warn us.

Which specious ("God can do it, thus...) logic is what is used to support Mormonic claims, etc. Which we know are false by comparing them with Scripture, which is the supreme standard for obedience an d testing Truth claims. As is abundantly evidenced .

but He does preform God only miracles to prove which messages are truly from Him.

Which is begging the question, presuming what needs to be proven (that God is doing the miracles). If God is doing the miracles then indeed they support the Divine origin of the messages, but that something is miraculous does not mean it is from God. The Egyptian magicians duplicated the first 3 miracles of Moses, and the Spirit foretells that in these latter days the devil will be working with "all power and signs and lying wonders," (2 Thessalonians 2:9) to deceive the lost.

If there was no established authoritative source by which to test Truth claims then it would simply be a contest btwn supernatural miracles, but ever since God began to speak to an entire nation and then to the world then the written word has been the standard. And thereby believers are commanded to "prove all things," and to"try the spirits whether they are of God," (1Ths. 5:21; 1Jn. 4:1) and which is done by comparing it by what Scripture most clearly says. Which is what the noble Bereans did. (Acts 17:11)

In so doing we see the clear contrast btwn the false Mary of Catholicism and that of Scripture. One example is that of "The Message of Lady Fatima," in which the Mary of Catholicism says,

"Our Lady stressed the importance of praying the Rosary in each of Her apparitions, asking the children to pray the Rosary every day for peace. Another principal part of the Message of Fatima is devotion to Our Lady’s Immaculate Heart, which is terribly outraged and offended by the sins of humanity, and we are lovingly urged to console Her by making reparation. She showed Her Heart, surrounded by piercing thorns (which represented the sins against Her Immaculate Heart), to the children, who understood that their sacrifices could help to console Her."

"....Our Lady told them: 'You have seen hell where the souls of poor sinners go. To save them, God wishes to establish in the world devotion to My Immaculate Heart. If what I say to you is done, many souls will be saved and there will be peace.'

We must pray, especially the Rosary. By this frequent prayer of the Rosary, we will get the graces we need to overcome sin. God wants us to have devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary and to work to spread this devotion throughout the world." - http://www.gotquestions.org/lady-fatima.html

However, nowhere in Scripture does anyone except pagans pray or make offerings to anyone else in Heaven but the Lord , despite the Holy Spirit providing over 20 prayers in Scripture, nor are created beings ever shown being able to hear the multitudes of prayers addressed to them from earth and respond, which only God is shown able to do, while any communication btwn created beings from the two realms required both to somehow be in the same place.

And while believers are to sacrificially intercede for others, nowhere is the idea of devotion to any created beings in Heaven, as God alone is always set forth the only object of devotion in Heaven . Nor is it ever said or taught that Mary was sinless, though the Holy Spirit characteristically records lesser exceptions from the norm about notable characters, and thus at least thrice states that Christ was sinless.

One would have a hard time in Bible times explaining kneeling before a statue and praising the entity it represented in the unseen world, even with adulation, attributes, glory and titles never given in Scripture to created beings (except to false gods), including having the uniquely Divine power glory to hear and respond to virtually infinite numbers of prayers addressed to them, and beseeching such for Heavenly help, and making offerings to them. Which would constitute worship in Scripture, yet Catholics imagine by playing word games they avoid crossing the invisible line between mere "veneration" and worship.

Instead they should do what Mary and every believer in every prayer to Heaven did (and I should do more of), which was to pray directly to the Lord, not secretaries. But they must truly become born again for that.

Moses, put down those rocks! I was only engaging in hyper dulia, not adoring her. Can't you tell the difference?

Instead Caths basically say,

As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto thee. But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes... (Jeremiah 44:16-17)