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Laudato Si: The Prayer Of The Freemason
Vox Cantoris Blog via Mundabor's Blog ^ | June 19, 2015 | Mundabor

Posted on 06/19/2015 3:56:05 PM PDT by ebb tide

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To: Vendome

Gaotu. Curious... Is Jesus Christ the way, the truth and the life? No one will come to the Father except through Jesus Christ?


21 posted on 06/19/2015 6:01:19 PM PDT by servantboy777
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To: Vendome

One major problem with Freemasonry is that in stopping at a generic “god figure,” even if in the case of most Americans that is God The Father, the Divinity and Blood Atonement of Jesus Christ are denied by gross omission.


22 posted on 06/19/2015 6:08:45 PM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

There is no generic God the Father.

However, we are a fraternity that recognizes other faiths.

Our prequisite is: You must believe in a higher power and and afterlife.

Obviously, Muslims believe in a different god, as do Jehovas Witness.

But mostly, you will find Christians in Masonry.

Praying to the same God, revering the same God as Christians.

We have no secret God, as ther is only creator and giver of life.

We celebrate God the Father, The Holy Spirit and Christ.

How else could we live? (Rhetorical)


23 posted on 06/19/2015 6:36:32 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: servantboy777

Jesus Christ is the “Only” way, The Truth and Life....(unless you are a Mormon, then you must pass by Joseph Smith, with a passport before entering and obviously we, as Christians, reject that notion)


24 posted on 06/19/2015 6:38:53 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

Albert Pike was a liar...Period...


25 posted on 06/19/2015 6:39:57 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Vendome
"However, we are a fraternity that recognizes other faiths. Our prequisite is: You must believe in a higher power and and afterlife."

Which does nothing to acknowledge the Divinity and Blood Atonement of Jesus Christ. That's why stuff like this recent encyclical with its two prayers (one for Catholics, one for others), is called Masonic. Some people dismiss such as kooky conspiracy theories, but the truth is that even if Freemason persons aren't explicitly involved, the troubling material is undeniably Masonic in nature -- generic, not focused on Jesus, and seeking fraternity with false religions.

26 posted on 06/19/2015 6:48:44 PM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd
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To: ebb tide
The encyclical is addressed to all the people of the world, so naturally it would include Christian and non-Christian aspects. What's wrong with asking non-Christians to pray to God the Creator as they understand Him?

Their God the Creator is the same as the Triune God. They just don't understand that.

27 posted on 06/19/2015 6:48:51 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

What’s wrong with asking non-Christians to convert to the One, True Faith, and praying for them to do so, rather than preparing prayers for them to pray in their false religions?

This pope doesn’t give a hoot about saving souls; he’s more interested in saving seals and snails.


28 posted on 06/19/2015 7:03:11 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

Like I said, “We” are a fraternity.

Think of it like any college fraternity or maybe a police fraternity. They worship the same God we all do for the most part. However, there are people of different faiths in those fraternities.

The fraternity is not a religion but, may open and close meetings asking for God’s blessing, guidance, strength, etc.

There really is no difference except we have rites and rituals, all of which are steeped in Biblical history and the humanities.

For a good example you might look at the following, which I only gave a cursory look and hope it is helpful:

http://www.masoniclibrary.org.au/research/list-lectures/106-the-importance-of-the-second-degree.html


29 posted on 06/19/2015 7:05:08 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
The encyclical is addressed to all the people of the world, so naturally it would include Christian and non-Christian aspects.

And as a result, Francis publishes separate prayers for his adoring crowd to pray. Gotta please everyone all the time, except for those sour-pussed, rosary counting, Pelagians.

Did Jesus Christ teach an alternative prayer to the Pater Noster to appease the Jews?

They just don't understand that.

And Francis just doesn't understand "extra Ecclesiam nulla salus". Apparently you don't either.

30 posted on 06/19/2015 7:20:19 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
Aren't all papal encyclicals addressed to all the people of the world?

Let, therefore, the separated children draw nigh to the Apostolic See, set up in the City which Peter and Paul, the Princes of the Apostles, consecrated by their blood; to that See, We repeat, which is "the root and womb whence the Church of God springs,"[27] not with the intention and the hope that "the Church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth"[28] will cast aside the integrity of the faith and tolerate their errors, but, on the contrary, that they themselves submit to its teaching and government. Would that it were Our happy lot to do that which so many of Our predecessors could not, to embrace with fatherly affection those children, whose unhappy separation from Us We now bewail. Would that God our Savior, "Who will have all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth,"[29] would hear us when We humbly beg that He would deign to recall all who stray to the unity of the Church! In this most important undertaking We ask and wish that others should ask the prayers of Blessed Mary the Virgin, Mother of divine grace, victorious over all heresies and Help of Christians, that She may implore for Us the speedy coming of the much hoped-for day, when all men shall hear the voice of Her divine Son, and shall be "careful to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace."[30] MORTALIUM ANIMOS

31 posted on 06/19/2015 7:33:05 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide
Can you point out the specific problems in the prayers?

The horrible Prayer Of The Freemason obviously ignores Christ and the Holy Ghost.

The "Our Father" does not make mention of the Son or the Holy Spirit. Also, I have no idea how you are projecting Freemasonry onto this Pope. Would you care to explain how you come to the conclusion.

It is difficult to believe the level of satanical disorientation promoted by this man.

Would you like to explain how a prayer to God is Satanic in nature?

We would never be so tactless as to say that Christ is the Way, the Truth and the Life.

Do you understand the first part of that list, the Way?
32 posted on 06/19/2015 7:37:30 PM PDT by ronnietherocket3 (Mary is understood by the heart, not study of scripture.)
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Can you point out the specific problems in the prayers?

Sure! There's two prayers, not one.

33 posted on 06/19/2015 7:42:35 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ronnietherocket3
The "Our Father" does not make mention of the Son or the Holy Spirit.

The Sign of the Cross does. Ever heard of it? Ever made it?

34 posted on 06/19/2015 7:45:47 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide; St_Thomas_Aquinas
Did Jesus Christ teach an alternative prayer to the Pater Noster to appease the Jews?

What in the "Our Father" is offensive to Jews?

The Jews do have a similar pray, 1
35 posted on 06/19/2015 7:47:35 PM PDT by ronnietherocket3 (Mary is understood by the heart, not study of scripture.)
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To: ronnietherocket3
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The Jews have a prayer Avinu Malkeinu. Version 1 2 3

It covers most of the parts of the Our Father.
36 posted on 06/19/2015 7:51:12 PM PDT by ronnietherocket3 (Mary is understood by the heart, not study of scripture.)
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To: ebb tide
The Sign of the Cross does. Ever heard of it? Ever made it?

Yes and Yes. The Our Father was given to us by Our Lord. However, you appear to expect the Pope to mention each person of the Trinity in each prayers he publishes, even though the Our Father only names one. The Hail Mary and Hail Holy Queen only name one and are principally focused at Jesus' Mother.
37 posted on 06/19/2015 7:54:30 PM PDT by ronnietherocket3 (Mary is understood by the heart, not study of scripture.)
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To: ebb tide
[My post:]Can you point out the specific problems in the prayers?

Sure! There's two prayers, not one.

So?
38 posted on 06/19/2015 7:55:33 PM PDT by ronnietherocket3 (Mary is understood by the heart, not study of scripture.)
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To: ronnietherocket3

So? Do you believe in two gods? If not, why separate prayers?


39 posted on 06/19/2015 7:57:38 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide; uglybiker
who knew George Washington and John Wayne were such evil men???
40 posted on 06/19/2015 7:59:38 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -w- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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