Posted on 06/19/2015 12:01:57 PM PDT by RnMomof7
I will never understand why people believe this nonsense. Jesus is clearly the Rock.
Whether is was or not, it`s certainly being killed by a communist.
ping to read later ... and thanx, Ma
The New Testament was originally written in the Greek, from which the Latin, English, and other versions were translated. If you study the Greek text you will find that the word Peter and the word Rock on which Christ was to build His church are two separate and distinct words, each having a different meaning. The word Peter in Greek is petros, which means “a piece of rock; a stone; a single stone; movable, insecure, shifting, or rolling.” The word rock is petra, which means “a rock; a cliff; a projecting rock; mother rock; huge mass; solid formation; fixed; immovable; enduring.”
The word petros for Peter in the Greek is in the masculine gender and the word petra for the rock is in the feminine gender. Petros and petra are two distinct words in the Greek. Petros is a shifting, rolling, or insecure stone, while petra is a solid, immovable rock. In the English language the gender is not specified by the article. We say the fork, the spoon, and the knife. The three words have the same article. In the Greek, as in many of the modern languages, each noun and corresponding article is in the masculine, feminine, or neuter gender. In many cases it is an arbitrary arrangement, regardless of sex.
The article in Greek is important. If one noun is in the masculine it must have a masculine article, and if it is in the feminine it must have a feminine article. The text under consideration in the Greek shows that petros is in the masculine, and petra in the feminine, proving that they are two distinct words; and each one has a different meaning. Now the question is, on which of the two, petros or petra, did Christ establish His church? Was it on petros, a movable stone, or petra, an immovable rock?
Let us quote the text again: “I say also unto thee [to Peter], That thou art Peter [petros, masculine gender], and upon this Rock [petra, feminine gender] I will build My church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it” (Matt. 16:18). The text indicates clearly that the church of Christ is built on petra and not on Petros.
Now, who is this petra or rock on which Christ built His true church? Let the Holy Bible again give the answer. If the Bible gives the answer, we make no mistake in accepting it because the definition is authentic. “They drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock [petra, in the Greek] was Christ” (1 Corinthians 10:4). Here we have evidence that petra refers to Christ, and not to Peter, petros. Again we quote: “Jesus Christ Himself being the chief Cornerstone” (Ephesians 2:20) “He is the Rock, His work is perfect” (Deuteronomy 32:4; 2 Samuel 22:2-3) (Douay, 2 Kings 22:2-3).
If Peter is the rock on which Christ was to build His church, Peter could not be overcome and the gates of hell could not prevail against him. But the fact is that he was overcome, and the gates of hell did prevail against him. Didn’t he deny his Lord? This was after Christ told him that the Rock was not to be overcome. Jesus told Peter on one occasion: “Get thee behind Me, Satan: thou art an offense unto Me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men” (Matthew 16:23). Peter himself gives the answer as to who the Rock is. He says Jesus is “the Christ, the Son of the living God” (Matt. 16:16). Again, speaking of Christ, he says: “This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders” (Acts 4:10-11); so Christ, the Son of God, must be the rock on which God built His church.
No Jesus says he hates the Nicholaitans in His letters to the Seven Churches.
The Papacy is legitimate because ... tradition!
Hell no! I don’t believe in manmade global warming either!
master
Selah!
Jesus did not establish the Papacy or the Vatican or the huge bureaucracy that developed around this institution. The Papacy and the Vatican evolved over time, many centuries in fact. Some facets of the Vatican are relatively new. Vatican City became an independent entity in 1929 under Mussolini when the Lateran Treaty was signed.
The person who really established Church as a powerful institution headquartered in Rome, is the first Christian Roman Emperor Constantine. Prior to Constantine, Christians were regarded as outlaws and frequently persecuted. Constantine effectively legitimized and institutionalized the Church and oversaw the construction of the Basilica in Rome and oversaw the Council of Nicea, where the creed of the Church was put into effect, something we recite in the Mass to this day.
And increased the inclusion of pagan beliefs, practices, holidays, and vestments. He didn't want to offend the pagans after all.
Interesting.
The only thing I can suggest is to read the Bible.
Jesus said very plainly that he was giving Peter the keys to the kingdom, but was he also including the other apostles?
We can argue about that until king come but then all that does is start another argument :when does or did it come?
The Church was in Jerusalem not Rome, we can see what part Peter played in the Church there, it is very evident that his word was taken as gospel by the leaders in the Church, including James.
But we can also see that he did not seem to seek any authority.
The scriptures does not connect Peter with Rome unless Babylon is referring to Rome which is just something else to argue about.
All though there are many traditions which put one apostle here and another one there and are no doubt some truth we do not have the details to make it gospel.
Jesus gave us the Gospel and if there is any more than what he gave us I have no idea what it would be as we can not read the same scripture and agree on the gospel from it,
I think we are pathetic.
Next, run down top to bottom who is in charge of the muslim religion.....if you're not a member, why the unnatural criticism???
If the answer is ‘yes’, why did it take over 200 years to decide which books were ‘in’ or ‘out’?
My answer is ‘no’. Peter was ‘dethroned’ when Paul started writing all of his Letters to the world, whereas Peter wanted to keep the acts of ‘mikvas’ and ‘brits’(sp) to ensure the followers attained Jewishness, through the wasteful shedding of blood.
Unfortunately for the Catholic church, the West is no longer populated by illiterate serfs. Fortunately for the Catholic church, its adherents approach the scriptures the same way Mormons do: Scripture is fine so long as it doesn’t contradict their leadership’s pronouncements.
Giving so little effort to understanding and following God’s word is a choice each capable person makes. It speaks volumes about the heart. And that choice has consequences.
" why does this question concern you at all???"
We are to go forth and confront evil, lies and misinformation esp. in regards to Jesus. After all, He is the Rock of our Church.
YES!
Thank you!
You are absolutely right, the Pope is a man who happens to be elected to run a large and complex organization.....Elsie will be more than happy to point out that a few, I think that he has 10 on his list, have not been paragons of virtue.....oh well...
They have, however, through 20 centuries of running the physical and spiritual Christian church, never erred in proclamations having to do with faith and morals....that would be impossible for them to do because Christ promised that it would not happen.
I personally have some concern over our present Pope and his upcoming encyclical on climate change....as a human, he is certainly entitled to express his opinion on it, but it is of no more value than yours or mine. Catholics will not be bound by it but should respect it for what it is....an opinion from a well educated world leader.
This is an ignorant question. Were the protestant denominations established by Christ? Are their leaders anointed by Christ?
Too many give too much political and social credence to what religious leaders of any denomination have to say about the secular political world.
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