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Mercy and Grace: Are They the Same?
Life Hope and Truth ^ | June 9,2015 | Dave Johnson

Posted on 06/09/2015 8:47:45 AM PDT by RnMomof7

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To: metmom; Religion Moderator

I didn’t think we were supposed to use things like that.

What are you trying to say?


21 posted on 06/09/2015 10:14:39 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

It’s Bookmark For Later Reading.


22 posted on 06/09/2015 10:18:20 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: Hoffer Rand

Unmerited favor smacks cold hard against man’s pride of works, thinking, or even demanding God that he ?

Some that he can strong arm God , to coax God to give him righteousness because of his works and keeping the law.

Grace is not grace when it’s earned.

God chooses whom he will extend his grace, mercy and love towards all by him self.

It is human pride to think that God should love them, bless them save because of their works apart from God’s grace.

God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble.

The true extent of humility is taking the focus off of one’s self, and placing it souly on God alone.

Works based salvation places the focus on self, and glorifies man.

Grace based salvation places the focus souly on God, and God alone in the person of Jesus Christ.

Grace based salvation glorifies God.


23 posted on 06/09/2015 10:35:40 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist (BeThe Keystone Pipe lik Project : build it already Congress)
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To: Salvation

Can it be said that the providence of God is the means to which he bestows his grace ?


24 posted on 06/09/2015 10:38:58 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist (BeThe Keystone Pipe lik Project : build it already Congress)
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To: American Constitutionalist

Forgive me for being confused. Do you think I suggest a salvation of works? Or that we in any way can earn favor with God? Or that we can find a way to deserve salvation? Nothing is further from the truth. Isaiah 64:6, Romans 3:9-12


25 posted on 06/09/2015 10:47:52 AM PDT by Hoffer Rand (Bear His image. Bring His message. Be the Church.)
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To: Olog-hai

Faith is the substance of things hoped for, and the evidence of things not seen.

Without faith no one can please God.

Faith is taking God at his word, standing on it against all possible odds inspire of what this unbelieving world tells you, or what the natural eyes see.

Faith is trusting God when hope seems all but lost.

Faith is believing, trusting, knowing that God is with you in the storm when you can’t see him, smell him, hear him, when your senses, and when you hear this world’s voices say “ where is your God now “.

Fear not, for I am with you says the LORD.

I have redeemed you, I have called you by name.

When you pass through the waters and through the flame,

I’ll be with you says the LORD ( YUD HEY VAV HEY ).

YOU NOT SHALL DROWN ! YOU NOT SHALL BE BURNED !

FOR I WITH YOU !


26 posted on 06/09/2015 10:49:53 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist (BeThe Keystone Pipe lik Project : build it already Congress)
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To: shove_it

Ninveva was a pagan culture.

Repent from what ?

All have sinned.

Israel sinned, therefore God provided a yearly sacrifice that the high priest offered to God for the sins of the whole nation, the atonement for their sins, the law does not attone for sins, it condemns a man.

Repent from what ?

God set into motion the way of salvation in his son Jesus Christ.

The law can not make any mam righteousness, or be made justified in the sight of God, never.

Repent from what ?

The Greek word for our English word Repent means, to change one’s mind, attitude towards God.

The Greek word is metanoeo.

John the Baptist called on the people to “ Metanoeo “ and “ believe “ on the Gospel, to believe on the one whom God sent.

St. Paul even said in his letter to the Romans that the law was weak in the flesh, it could never save anyone or make anyone righteous before God.

If it could have made man right before God, or justified before God, then they would not have need of the Old Testament system of the blood sacrifice, but of course you are already aware of that.

If the law would have, could have made man right before God, or justified before God, then ? There would have been no need to send his son, the Messiah to die on the cross for our sins.

St. Paul called the Ten Commandments, which was written on stone tablets, the letter that kills, condemns, the ministry of death.

But grace gives life.

Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

For those who walk not according to the flesh, but after the spirit.

The spirit is grace, the spirit of grace.

Walking in the flesh is conducting, working, doing, self efforts to obey the law, but it was weak because of the flesh.

But God sending his own son fulfilled ever iota, dot and tittle of the law for us.

The Ninivites were ungodly pagans, who had no regards or thought of the God of Israel.

God wanted to show his grace and kindness towards the Ninivites, Israel’s enemies, that’s why Joanha was upset towards God.

The Gentiles who came to Jesus Christ were not under the law, or under the Covenant of the law that God set up between Israel and the God of Israel.

St. Paul even brought this up with Peter and argued with Peter about putting the Saved Gentile saints under the law.


27 posted on 06/09/2015 11:19:24 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist (BeThe Keystone Pipe lik Project : build it already Congress)
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To: RnMomof7
Mercy and Grace: Are They the Same?

Evidently not...

...obtain mercy and find grace...

28 posted on 06/09/2015 11:39:12 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Salvation
 
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29 posted on 06/09/2015 11:41:37 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: American Constitutionalist

Did GOD really say...


30 posted on 06/09/2015 11:42:11 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Hoffer Rand

Just expounding upon it, I agree with you.

Just adding to what you have said.


31 posted on 06/09/2015 11:51:49 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist (BeThe Keystone Pipe lik Project : build it already Congress)
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To: Salvation; Religion Moderator

BFLR = Bookmark for Later Reading.....

I was busy and wanted to mark the thread to read later when I had the time. People use that all the time.

Oh my goodness.....

Do you always expect the worst out of people? Or are you just looking to get people in trouble?

Somehow I get the feeling that I can’t do anything right for some people.

Here, so’s you can check before running to the mod next time......

The 2009 FreeRepublic Lexicon
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2341085/posts


32 posted on 06/09/2015 12:11:03 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Hoffer Rand

“Justice” is getting what you deserve.

...just to complete the triad.


33 posted on 06/09/2015 12:35:20 PM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: kinsman redeemer

I do not like to hear people say that our sins are pardoned. While the effect of not having to pay for our sins with death as the commandment would demand and we do not pay with eternal death there is a payment.

First, there is no forgiveness of sin without recognizing you have sinned, with out repenting of the sin and then and only then asking for forgiveness. There is a price for sin and it will be paid one way or another. When we appeal to Christ to save us from our sin what we are really asking Him to do is to take our punishment for us, and that is what he has done.

As I understand it, forgiveness is easy, Grace is not. Through the Grace of Jesus Christ our sins are paid for by Him, because of that we can stand blameless before God.

If one of our children break a law and get a prison sentence, we can forgive them, the person harmed in crime may forgive him but the law will be satisfied. If we wanted to offer grace to our child we would need to serve his prison sentence for him. I doubt most of us would be willing to do that unless the child really showed and convinced us he had changed and that we wouldn’t be serving his sentence just so he could go out and do it again.

Grace has a cost, a very great cost.


34 posted on 06/09/2015 12:52:48 PM PDT by JAKraig (my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: RnMomof7

Wow! Another great one. Keep up the good work!


35 posted on 06/09/2015 12:53:52 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: JAKraig; kinsman redeemer
>> I doubt most of us would be willing to do that unless<<

we're not God either. So there is that.

36 posted on 06/09/2015 1:03:12 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: American Constitutionalist

Thank you for clarifying. I was a little confused.


37 posted on 06/09/2015 1:07:36 PM PDT by Hoffer Rand (Bear His image. Bring His message. Be the Church.)
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To: Salvation
See Also: ACTUAL GRACE, See Also: EFFICACIOUS GRACE, See Also: GRATUITOUS GRACE, See Also: HABITUAL GRACE, See Also: JUSTIFYING GRACE, See Also: SACRAMENTAL GRACE, See Also: SANATING GRACE, See Also: SANCTIFYING GRACE, See Also: SUFFICIENT GRACE

So how does one "refill" their grace tank ??

38 posted on 06/09/2015 1:09:28 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: shove_it
REPENTANCE is the missing step on the road to REDEMPTION that I am increasingly hearing from the pulpit these days.

I agreed..

39 posted on 06/09/2015 1:16:37 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: JAKraig

Yes and God paid that cost.

And yes, our sin is pardoned, by God, because HE paid the cost Himself.

So like it of not, that’s what Scripture teaches.


40 posted on 06/09/2015 1:46:56 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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