Who Really Speaks For God?

The Highway ^ | May 24,2015 | John H. Armstrong

[johngrace]

We( The Catholic Church) are a 1 John 4 Church.

1 John 4 King James Version (KJV)

4 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.

8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.

12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.

14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.

15 Whosoever SHALL Confess that JESUS is the Son of God, God Dwelleth in him, and he in God.

16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.

17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

19 We love him, because he first loved us.

20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

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Romans 10:9 "For if thou confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in thy heart that God hath raised him up from the dead, thou shalt be saved."

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OUR CONFESSION FOR THIS REQUIREMENT IS IN THE APOSTLES CREED AND NICENE CREED Which IS CONFESSED PUBLICLY in SUNDAY CHURCH ALL OVER THE WORLD

The Apostle's Creed

I believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth; and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord:

Who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary;

suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died and was buried. He descended into hell; the third day He rose again from the dead;

He ascended into heaven, is seated at the right hand of God the Father Almighty; from thence He shall come to judge the living and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of Saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting. Amen.

--------------------------------- Every Sunday THE CATHOLIC CHURCH confesss................The Nicene Creed.................

The Nicene Creed

I believe in one God, the Father almighty,

maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible.

I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God,

born of the Father before all ages. God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God,

begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father; through him all things were made.

For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven,

and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and became man.

For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate, he suffered death and was buried,

and rose again on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures.

He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father.

He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead and his kingdom will have no end.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son,

who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified, who has spoken through the prophets.

I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.

I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come.

Amen.

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Here are verses that The Catholic Church stands on in It"s true Confessions-----------------------------

Matthew 10:32 "Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven.

Luke 12:8 "I tell you, whoever publicly acknowledges me before others, the Son of Man will also acknowledge before the angels of God.

Acts 2:24 But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him.

Acts 2:32 God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of it.

Acts 16:31 They replied, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved--you and your household."

Romans 4:24 but also for us, to whom God will credit righteousness--for us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead.

Romans 10:10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.

Romans 14:9 For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.

1 Corinthians 12:3 Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus be cursed," and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.

Philippians 2:11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

1 Peter 1:21 Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God.

1 John 4:15 If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in them and they in God.

WE ACKNOWLEDGE ALL THIS IN OUR CONFESSIONS BEFORE GOD ALMIGHTY IN JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD.

[CynicalBear]

>>The Protestant penchant for self-congratulation knows no bounds.<<

You mean like Catholics telling Protestants they wouldn't have a Bible if it weren't for Catholics? That kind of self-congradulation?

[metmom]

We’re back to that, eh?

Trying to force women into silence using Scripture as a bludgeon.

What desperation from someone who can’t handle a woman knowing more than them.

[metmom]

Funny how Scripture is all allegorical, metaphorical, parables, etc, except when they want to manipulate behavior out of someone, then suddenly everyone is a Bible literalist.

[metmom]

Funny, I’m having a hard time finding anywhere in Scripture where the Catholic church is mentioned. I can’t seem to find the words *Catholic church* anywhere.

Nor *pope*, nor *eucharist* nor *mass*, nor *apostolic succession*, nor *creed*, nor........

Well, you get the picture.

[johngrace]

Whatever you want to believe we still confess Christ is Lord. Period. That is the sign of the Holy Spirit.

If a Pope ever takes away the confessions I will be running out of the church quicker than most. But no not one ever did.

May Christ Bless All on This Religion Forum.

Praise Jesus Christ Our Lord who came back from the dead.

AMEN!!! AMEN!!! AMEN!!!

[papertyger]

Yes. They encourage the 5 non-canonical books that were added to the Bible

And Protestants claim WE don't let people read the Bible.....

More irony.

[papertyger]

I learned it watching FR Catholics. As long as they agree Mary means the Fast Track to Jesus, they'll all swear to it, and insult your mental capacity for not agreeing.

I guess plagiarism really is the sincerest form of flattery.

Of course, if fits right in with the normal Protestant ethic.

[CynicalBear]

>>and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and became man.<<

When you say that you mean "ever virgin" right? And when you say "one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church" you mean the "Catholic Church" right? And when you say "one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins" you mean that baptism actually is how sins are forgiven right?

If you answer to the affirmative to any or all of those you are counter to scripture. You see, when Catholics use certain words they mean something different then when others or scripture says them. So your hopes of "being like all other Christians" doesn't hold up.

[papertyger]

They simply cannot wrap their minds around the fact that followers of Christ follow CHRIST, not a human stand in for Him.

If Protestants followed Christ, they'd do what the Bible says instead of bending it to fit one of their (depending on who they follow) doctrines.

[CynicalBear]

>>Funny how Scripture is all allegorical, metaphorical, parables, etc, except when they want to manipulate behavior out of someone, then suddenly everyone is a Bible literalist.<<

That Catholic Church has a history of back dating and forcing current statements into history.

[Iscool]

We( The Catholic Church) are a 1 John 4 Church.

But you can't have none of it unless you ask Mary for it and she gives it to you...

You are a 1John 4 Church but you are not a 1John 5:13 Church...

1Jn_5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Or an Eph. 2:8-10 Church...

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Without those scriptures you can't be a 1John 4 Church...In fact, you can't be a church at all...

[ADSUM]

Your comment: “I did not think you could tell me..because for Catholics there is no good news ...”

Why are you afraid to go to Mass?

You can also go to the Vatican II documents if you really want to learn. Try “Dei Verbum” first about Divine Revelation.

It is in English and easily readable.

[papertyger]

That would be funny if it was not so pathetic.

What's "pathetic" is Protestant engaging in every form of vice and wickedness EXCEPT those they claim to reject. And those too if they can rationalize their way around it.

[papertyger]

So you do not agree with John 3:16 ??

What? Don't they teach "metaphor" in snake handling class?

[papertyger]

What says your church ??

You know what our Church says, and so does everyone else on earth.

"Yours," is anybodies guess.

[ADSUM]

Your comment: “Why don’t you go to a Bible believing, Bible teaching Protestant church so you can learn more about what the Bible says?”

You assume a lot.

I have attended various services at Protestant churches. I have even spoken at one. People were friendly, but did not get the holy feeling of being with Jesus and receiving Him in the Eucharist as I do at a Catholic Mass.

[Iscool]

Why are you afraid to go to Mass?

I've been to a couple of Latin Masses...Every one recited the same thing the person next to him recited...That's not prayer...And the wafer tasted terrible...Seems you could make Jesus taste a little better...

[papertyger]

You mean like Catholics telling Protestants they wouldn't have a Bible if it weren't for Catholics? That kind of self-congradulation?

Actually, that is called a "fact."

I mean self-congratulation like goes on with these incestuous threads were all the Protestants pat themselves on the back, trumpeting their sanctity, while trading in every insipid, inane, straw man conceivable.

[papertyger]

Catholics prohibited from owning Scripture

Yes...three hundred years before the printing press, thus insuring it's accuracy and dissuading heresy, was invented!

And once it was, what was the FIRST book printed on it? Can you say "Vulgate?"