Gay marriage will split the Catholic Church

The Spectator ^ | 05-23-2015 | Damian Thompson

[NRx]

Ireland, for so long the most overtly Catholic state in Western Europe, has voted for gay marriage by a stupendous margin – 62 per cent. Never before has a country legalised the practice by popular vote.

It would be naive to ask: how could this happen? Hatred of the Church is one of the central features of modern Ireland, thanks not only to the paedophile scandals but also to the joyless quasi-Jansenist character of the Irish Church, which was handed complete control of education in the Free State after partition in 1922. (Many of its priests were outstandingly holy and charitable, but you’ll get your head bitten off if you suggest that in today’s anti-clerical republic.)

Anyway, I don’t want to focus on Ireland. Homosexuality as an issue is a greater threat to the Catholic Church worldwide than the sex abuse scandals. Here’s why:

[ought-six]

Pope Francis, a whole slew of cardinals, innumerable priests who are allowed to spew forth their vitriol on a daily basis, without any condemnation or consequence from the Vatican (ever hear of Fr. Pfleger in Chicago? He is so far to the left he makes Marx himself seem like a conservative, but neither the local bishop, nor the Cardinal, nor the Vatican itself censures him: He is allowed to “keep on keepin’ on”). Under Francis, the Church has taken on the political agenda of the hard left, especially climate change (such idiocy!) and redistribution of wealth.

I’m Catholic, and I can’t stand Francis. Just as I’m an American, and I can’t stand Obama. But the Vatican is not a republic and is not a democracy; it is an oligarchy. You can’t vote out the Pope. He’s in for life.

[piusv]

No one in the SSPX, Resistance, Sedevacantist groups would support anything but Traditional Catholic teaching. Same for those in FSSP or ICKSP.

[SumProVita]

You did not name them....nor supply proof.

Also, please be very careful, ought-six, because the media/press is out to convince the world that this Pope is following their agenda. Sadly, many are gullible to what they attempt with all of this.

See these: http://www.markmallett.com/blog/steady-as-she-goes

http://www.markmallett.com/blog/a-house-divided

Let us pray and REALLY trust our God.

[usconservative]

And, in the background, there’s always the possibility that the gay activists, who brought us to the point we are at now, with the numerous lawsuits over marriage, will start suing churches which don’t perform homosexual marriage.

As I predicted some 10+ years ago here on FR (and others did as well, it wasn't just me.......) "gay rights" has always been an umbrella for attacking the church in America.

When I say "church" I mean any church/denomination that professes Jesus Christ as our Savior.

To your statement above, there is already a complaint against a church by a "gay couple" claiming they have a "right" to a church sanctioned wedding. (You can find that here.

Here's another one by a millionaire gay couple directly suing a church in the U.K. to force them to perform a gay wedding.

Then there's this one where a city threatens to sue a minister who refuses to perform a gay wedding.

There are more instances of the above, a quick google search for "gay couple sues church to perform wedding" will show you the list.

[ought-six]

I named those who came to mind without digging up articles that mention them by name. But, hell, I guess I could spend the time to do all that specific research if I thought it was worthwhile, but it’s not.

I guess you think Francis is just dandy. I think he’s a marxist. Ye shall know them by their actions.

And what’s this “be very careful,” warning?

Finally, if it comes to a schism, and the Catholic Church breaks up along lines of social and economic theory, and it pits traditionalists against so-called progressives, then so be it. It’s like where we are as a nation: The leftists (progressives and their useful idiots, the liberals) and the conservatives are better off separating. We can’t live together in peace. What’s ironic is that we can live quite happily — and even thrive economically — without the leftists; but they are totally dependent on us.

[SumProVita]

I named those who came to mind...

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I saw no names given. All you said was “Pope Francis, a whole slew of cardinals, innumerable priests...”

It seems to me that you are basically making political judgments (over a wide swath) and are not spiritually discerning at all. You also seem to be buying into everything the media/press is putting out there.

Did you read the articles that I linked? They are spiritually oriented. Pope Francis is not perfect. No human is...however he is definitely not a Marxist. Are you even aware of how he was ostracized by the dissident proponents of liberation theology in Argentina...and why? Do your read his daily homilies? Have you read any of his writings?
How often do you pray for our Pope, cardinals, bishops and priests (rhetorical question)?

[PoloSec]

My comment was addressing two issues; the first was the word SPLIT it was a misuse (I should have clarified from scripture wherein split is a man made annotation not used in the scripture where it is correctly referred to as Divisions). The second issue was foundation and what foundation are all the varied religions and their numerous denominations really built upon.

What has God warned us about Divisions: (just a few there are more)

 

 

 

Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.   For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you;  For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

What has God told us about our Foundation:

According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.  Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

The Violation and its accompanying correction and instruction in righteousness...

Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.  Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing. (for clarity read again only the words in bold)

In like manner as our constitution, man has perverted and corrupted the Word of God by dividing it into religions, using words that do not appear in scripture such as catholic, protestant, et al and thus dividing those who believe the gospel into untold denominations, all claiming Christ as their foundation yet he is not divided, fractured, crumbling,  you would not know it by looking at all the man made religions most of which are as much the same as they are different, God says we are the Church the Body of Christ, He gave no other distinction, his Word is simple as is Christ; and man made religious connotations would have it much more complex, all one need do to see is open any religious thread on FR and hear all the non-sense and yes there is some truth in all of them but there is not all truth in any.

No doubt you or someone else reading this will find reason to dispute not because the above scripture is wrong but because the doctrine of men have trained us to be in dispute, to be divided, to not recognize scripture but to acknowledge only that religion in which we have been trained, there is only one foundation (the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ) men will say yes we believe that then in word and action deny the same, you can ignore the words I wrote go back once again to the scripture  posted  italicized that is where the truth is.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The gospel one must believe to be saved is (how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures) now most main line religions and there denominations will declare yes we believe that, then add BUT there is more to salvation than that, thereby dividing the gospel and perverting the gospel from the simplicity that is in Christ:   (But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.) this is what religions et al do and that same subtilty will find those corrupted rushing to the defense of their religion rather than standing on our only foundation the gospel; how that Christ died for our sins... no ifs, ands or buts about it.

So the bottom line in my comment; there is no Catholic, Protestant or any other church that God recognizes other than the Church the Body of Christ, (many claim by way of label to be that very church but they lie) man can divide Gods Word and construct such religions but they are merely the devises of men that achieve complexity upon complexity to where only a few can conveniently claim to understand it and they are the ones they tell you who can explain it all in such complexity to keep believers beholden to them.  I suspect you are fuming about now if you weren't already but you have the option to ignore it all, that is what religion teaches as a recourse; knowing of course men are so invested in their particular religious nomenclature they cannot do so, it is all about maintaining divisions and obscuring the foundation, nothing new it has been going since by one man sin entered into the world.

Grace be with all them that love our Lord Jesus Christ in sincerity!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ought-six]

“I saw no names given.”

Then you either didn’t read my post or your attention span is limited to two words. I mentioned Pope Francis (a name); I mentioned Fr. Pfleger (a name).

I see Francis as a Marxist by his actions. You see him as saintly. We will never agree.

[SumProVita]

You see him as saintly.

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From where did you get that idea? It would seem that you are in the habit of making snap-judgments.

Also, what actions of Pope Francis demonstrate that he is a Marxist? You still haven’t read his history have you?

Also... Have you read any of the articles that I linked?

PS Fr.Pfleger is hardly a priest of good example.

Also, if you are a practicing Catholic, what parish ministry are you involved with?

[ought-six]

Who said I was a practicing Catholic? Didn’t you see my post that said I’m a “poor Catholic” or a “lapsed Catholic”?

[SumProVita]

No, sorry but I didn’t see that. I must have confused you with another poster. Thank you for alerting me.