VATICAN BIG GOES HARD AGAINST U.S. TEA PARTY CLIMATE SKEPTICS

Breitbart ^ | May 19, 2015 | Austin Ruse

[ebb tide]

Many Catholics and others were puzzled by the appearance of Secretary General Ban Ki-moon, Professor Jeffrey Sachs and former Senator Tim Wirth as speakers or honored guests at a Vatican sponsored conference on global warming.

All three have spent years actively undermining Church teaching on questions of abortion and UN-style family planning, which includes active population control.

[StormPrepper]

Catholics have been making serious decisions for 2,015 years and most of them have been 100% correct!!!

When Pope Sixtus V sanctioned the invasion of England by Spain to win back England for the Catholic Church and kill all the protestants... that was 100% correct?

When the Catholic Church began torturing and murdering people by the tens of thousands, that was 100% correct?

When the Catholic Church began selling indulgences for money, that was 100% correct?

Wars, death, and tyranny are all I see from the Catholic Church for almost 2000yrs. And the Protestants followed in their foot steps not soon after.

Of course we might have different standards as to what we consider correct behavior.

[StormPrepper]

Christ’s Church will be with us until the end of the world (”the gates of hell will not prevail against it.”)

Christ never said the gates of hell would never prevail against the Church.

Plus, prevail does not mean never overcome. I also means, ultimate victory. As in the Allies prevailed in WW2, but they didn't win every battle.

Dan 2 make it clear that after the great kingdoms of the earth are passed, He would setup His kingdom that WOULDN'T be destroyed.

Dan 2
44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

If your assumption is correct why would God give this prophecy? It would be completely pointless unless He were foretelling of the recreation of His kingdom(Church) after it had been destroyed.

[metmom]

Did he command the Jews to build a temple? Didn't Jesus teach in the synagogue?

And and yes. What of it?

Neither of those two issues is relevant to the comment I made.

If you think Jesus commanded the church to build churches, provide the Scripture reference.

[Elsie]

God is a God of order, not randomness or chaos.

Someone should have told Joseph Smith that...

Move along sharply now. Nothing but order and preciseness shown here.

Doctrine and Covenants

Section 124:144

http://lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/124?lang=eng

And a commandment I give unto you, that you should fill all these offices and ^aapprove of those names which I have mentioned, or else disapprove of them at my general conference;

[Elsie]

Wars, death, and tyranny are all I see from the Catholic Church for almost 2000yrs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porter_Rockwell

I just HATE it when stuff like that happens!

[Elsie]

Dan 2 make it clear that after the great kingdoms of the earth are passed, He would setup His kingdom that WOULDN'T be destroyed.

And that would be MORMONism; right?

[Elsie]

Of course we might have different standards as to what we consider correct behavior.

What is your church doing to help the male to stay true?

 

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"All of this should be conveyed without having priesthood leaders focus upon intimate matters which are a part of husband and wife relationships. Skillful interviewing and counseling can occur without discussion of clinical details by placing firm responsibility on individual members of the Church to put their lives in order before exercising the privilege of entering a house of the Lord. The First Presidency has interpreted oral sex as constituting an unnatural, impure, or unholy practice. If a person is engaged in a practice which troubles him enough to ask about it, he should discontinue it."
- Official Declaration of the First Presidency of the Church, January 5th, 1982

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"Prophets anciently and today condemn masturbation. It induces feelings of guilt and shame. It is detrimental to spirituality. It indicates slavery to the flesh, not that mastery of it and the growth toward godhood which is the object of our mortal life. Our modern prophet has indicated that no young man should be called on a mission who is not free from this practice. What is more, it too often leads to grievous sin, even to that sin against nature, homosexuality. For, done in private, it evolves often into mutual masturbation-practiced with another person of the same sex and thence into total homosexuality...."
- Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, Pages 77-79, 81-82

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"Among the most common sexual sins our young people commit are necking and petting. Not only do these improper relations often lead to fornication, [unwed] pregnancy, and abortions - all ugly sins - but in and of themselves they are pernicious evils, and it is often difficult for youth to distinguish where one ends and another begins. They awaken lust and stir evil thoughts and sex desires. They are but parts of the whole family of related sins and indiscretions. Almost like twins, 'petting' and fornication are alike."
- Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, page 65

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"Also far-reaching is the effect of the loss of chastity. Once given or taken or stolen it can never be regained. Even in a forced contact such as rape or incest, the injured one is greatly outraged. If she has not cooperated and contributed to the foul deed, she is of course in a more favorable position. There is no condemnation where there is no voluntary participation. It is better to die in defending one's virtue than to live having lost it without a struggle."
- Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, page 196

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"And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear. Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth." (Genesis 4:9-14.) That was true of murder. It is also true of illicit sex, which, of course, includes all petting, fornication, adultery, homosexual acts, and all other perversions. The Lord may say to offenders, as He did to Cain, "What hast thou done?" The children thus conceived make damning charges against you; the companions who have been frustrated and violated condemn you; the body that has been defiled cries out against you; the spirit which has been dwarfed convicts you. You will have difficulty throughout the ages in totally forgiving yourself."
-Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, "Love Versus Lust", BYU Speech January 5, 1965. Often-used quote still used today in LDS seminary classes.

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"I do not find in the Bible the modern terms "petting" nor "homosexuality," yet I found numerous scriptures which forbade such acts under by whatever names they might be called. I could not find the term "homosexuality," but I did find numerous places where the Lord condemned such a practice with such vigor that even the death penalty was assessed."
- Apostle Spencer W. Kimball, "Love Versus Lust", BYU Speech January 5, 1965

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"If adultery or fornication justified the death penalty in the old days, and still in Christ's day, is the sin any less today because the laws of the land do not assess the death penalty for it? Is the act less grievous? There must be a washing, a purging, a changing of attitudes, a correcting of appraisals, a strengthening toward self-mastery. There must be many prayers, and volumes of tears. There must be an inner conviction giving to the sin its full diabolical weight. There must be increased devotion and much thought and study. And this takes energy and time and often is accompanied with sore embarrassment, heavy deprivations and deep trials, even if indeed one is not excommunicated from the Church, losing all spiritual blessings."
-Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, Page 155

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"How like the mistletoe is immorality. The killer plant starts with a sticky sweet berry. Little indiscretions are the berries -- indiscretions like sex thoughts sex discussions, passionate kissing, pornography. The leaves and little twigs are masturbation and necking and such, growing with every exercise. The full-grown plant is petting and sex looseness. It confounds, frustrates, and destroys like the parasite if it is not cut out and destroyed, for, in time it robs the tree, bleeds its life, and leaves it barren and dry; and, strangely enough, the parasite dies with its host."
- Apostle Spencer W. Kimball, General Conference Address, April 1, 1967.

[Elsie]

If you think Jesus commanded the church to build churches, provide the Scripture reference.

Heck; he can't even produce any MORMON scripture that illustrates the SACRED rituals done in the Temples of Mormondom!

[StormPrepper]

If you think Jesus commanded the church to build churches, provide the Scripture reference.

I have a question for you, how were the Pharisees supposed to know that Jesus was the Christ when everything Jesus was teaching wasn't in their scriptures?

If the Pharisees said to Jesus, "provide the Scripture reference.", what would Jesus' say to them do you think?

[stisidore]

No. No one who touched Mary was killed instantly. I am sorry you made that deduction. The point here I was trying to make that Mary, as the Ark carrying the New Covenant, Christ, in her womb, is to be treated with great respect, as the previous ark was.

An inference that anyone who touched Jesus was killed instantly is nowhere in anything I wrote.

The point I was trying to make about spoken tradition, is that like many things contained in the Bible, those outside the Church either do not practice, nor do they have the authority to put into practice, the powers given by the Lord to his followers.

These issues have been ignored by all who have responded to my points; my scriptural points. The reason is that those in these churches cannot forgive sins, nor can they evaluate properly messages sent by the Lord to his people; i.e., 1 Thessolonians 5:19 and following:

“Do not quench the Spirit; do not despise prophetic utterances. But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good, But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good; abstain from every form of evil.”

The Catholic Church, has the authority to make these examinations, and to judge prophecy which comes to us from the Lord, and it is only then that prophetic utterances be adjudged to be from the Holy Spirit, and worthy of belief. In this instance, it is the public miracle of Fatima.

Your church, of whatever stripe it is, does not have either the competence nor the authority to examine whether this occurrence, or any other such revelation is good or evil. It is not even an issue for you, despite the scripture referring to adjudging such matters. It does not even try.

When has your church come across a prophetic utterance that needs to be judged good or evil? Once? Ten times? Never?

Does this not now make you stop and think about who is this ‘foundation of truth ... the church’, which the Bible itself talks about? Again, and this issue you have avoided, you have no way of showing that the Church is not what is discussed, nor can you point to any church that it could be discussing.

You have avoided entirely the scripture and my point that the Catholic Church is the “Pillar and Foundation of truth” a claim no other church can make. As such it can and does assess the genuineness of events.

Think it through please. Three children claimed Mary has a message of warning for the world. A miracle for all to see is announced so that “all might believe”. This miracle occurs. Who has the power and authority to judge whether it is a message from God or a Satanic delusion? Pastor Billybob Jimjoe? Perhaps the Catholic Church?

1 Corinthians 2:13

Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God, which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words. But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are FOOLISHNESS to him; and HE CANNOT UNDERSTAND them, because they are spiritually appraised.… But he who is spiritual appraises all things, yet he himself is appraised by no one.

As to Mary’s perpetual virginity, the Church has this as part of its tradition. If you want an explanation for this teaching of the Church, please look here:

http://www.catholic.com/magazine/articles/the-case-for-mary%E2%80%99s-perpetual-virginity

Finally, the point that was the crux of Daniel1212’s attack had to do with Mary as some kind of demi-goddess, with unscriptural super power, which I explained through scripture that not only she, but all of us, have the ability to do greater works than Christ Himself did. Christ is sovereign, and it is by His good will and authority that this is so.

You claimed that I wasted electrons in my arguments. To me this is what a child says when it finds himself unable to make reasonable arguments, and in frustration says, “Yeah, well, you’re just stupid!”

Democrats do as much. Be an adult, and try harder. If you cannot find anything to counter my statements, or if, perhaps, you find them to be true, just say so.

[stisidore]

Nope. The book the Catholic Church put together calls her BLESSED.

Why does it feel necessary to add to this???

Pardon me Elsie, but I’m not sure I follow you here. Are you saying the Catholic Church threw in ‘Blessed’. This is easy scripture.

Luke 1:48

Because he hath regarded the humility of his handmaid; for behold from henceforth all generations shall call me BLESSED
This cannot be what you’re talking about, is it? Are you referring to something, perhaps our use of ‘Blessed VIRGIN Mary’?

[Elsie]

I have a question for you, how were the Pharisees supposed to know that Jesus was the Christ when everything Jesus was teaching wasn't in their scriptures?

You really have this poor of a grasp of what's in the Bible?

Well; after all; headquarters says it's not to be trusted; and then it goes ahead and uses it.

Can you say, "Double Minded?"

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[Elsie]

I don't want to accuse Mormonism of stacking the deck; but just LOOK at what you get when you type "teaching from the scriptures" into Google®!

https://www.google.com/search?q=from+the+scriptures&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:IE-Address&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7ADRA_enUS475&gws_rd=ssl#rls=com.microsoft:en-US:IE-Address&q=teaching+from+the+scriptures++

[Elsie]

... how were the Pharisees supposed to know that Jesus was the Christ when everything Jesus was teaching wasn't in their scriptures?

 

 

Acts 17 :1-4

1 When Paul and his companions had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where there was a Jewish synagogue. ² As was his custom, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures, ³ explaining and proving that the Messiah had to suffer and rise from the dead. “This Jesus I am proclaiming to you is the Messiah,” he said. ⁴ Some of the Jews were persuaded and joined Paul and Silas, as did a large number of God-fearing Greeks and quite a few prominent women.

[Elsie]

Are you saying the Catholic Church threw in ‘Blessed’.

No.

The Scripture plainly calls her blessed.

The big religious organization based in Rome threw in all of the OTHER titles.

[metmom]

The Scriptures were pointing to JESUS.

That’s why the Law was given, so that He would be recognized when He came because He fulfilled prophecy.

He didn’t come to reteach the Law. There was no need for that.

[metmom]

The ark carried the Glory of God.

JESUS was the ark of the new covenant. HIS body carried the glory of God.

Catholics are making the wrong person the ark.

[Toespi]

Lost me the day Notre Dame brought the anti-Christ in for the commencement address. I haven’t looked back because those that attended and supported it’s appearance denied Christ. A smug murderer of innocents was propped up by the Catholic Church as someone who had something valuable to say.

[stisidore]

I believe I have done so already in my missive to Daniel1212. He was saying that the powers attributed to Mary are un-scriptural, while I have proved that they are very much in keeping with the scriptures. No one has been able to refute Mary’s power after I wrote this. They cannot.

I guess I could ask you to prove where our traditions are not scriptural?

However, for the purposes of an FR response, I’ll try to explain how we DO keep the traditions as they were intended, while other churches (excepting the Orthodox) do not.

I am going to try to do this first through scripture, and then follow-up with a modern proof of what I am trying to say by way of illustration and hopefully, illumination.

I have read some of your stuff, CB, so it looks like your up-to-speed on Catholic explanations on many of its beliefs. I hope that I am correct in my assumption here, because I am not going to go through an exhaustive explanation of the Eucharist. If I am incorrect, forgive me.

The part I’m going to gloss over is the disagreement of what the Lord said at the Last Supper, wherein Catholics say that He said “This is My Body”, whereas Protestants disagree and posit that what He really said was “This represents My Body”.

I want to begin with 1 Corinthians 11:23 as context, but 11:27 is where I want to begin this brief focus—

“For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus in the night in which He was betrayed took bread; and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, “This is My body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” In the same way He took the cup also after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.

In the same way He took the cup also after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.” For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until He comes.

11:27

Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord. In the same way He took the cup also after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.

Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord. But a man must examine himself, and in so doing he is to eat of the bread and drink of the cup.

For he who eats and drinks, eats and drinks judgment to himself if he does not judge the body rightly. For this reason many among you are weak and sick, and a number sleep [have died].”

The tack I wish to take hear is that in what I have witnessed in Protestant (or evangelical, or Christian, or any description you prefer) is that yes, they are doing something that ‘represents’ what happened at the Last Supper. So, the bread that is passed around —Wonder Bread, King’s Hawaiian Bread, Matzo crackers, whatever, with grape juice, is merely that — bread and juice. Nothing more.

The thing is, NONE of this is going to make a believer sick, much less kill him. You might consume this worthily or unworthily, it does not matter. This scripture DOES NOT apply to what you consume in this type of service. As P’s hold, it is a mere representation, more akin to a stage play than an actual sacrifice. In fact, you could take this bread home with you and feed it to a pigeon, a duck, or your goldfish and it would neither disrespect the Lord nor cause you to be ill.

I think you know this already, and without thinking about this scripture, a brother could approach another in his Protestant church and say, “You’ve been committing adultery, if you eat that bread , you’re going to get sick and you may even die!”

Laughable, right?

Now, of course Catholics hold to the belief that it IS actually Christ’s body and blood, hold it in the greatest of reverence. I think you know this already. You know the belief, but you do not, of course, hold it to be true.

So here I come to my ‘modern-day’ proof of the validity of the Catholic claim, and it comes from a most unlikely source.

The devil is the enemy of God and man, and he is a liar and a blasphemer. Now I don’t know how long it’s been around, but the Satanic Bible sets itself up as a blasphemy of the true Word of God. I have never read it and never intend to, but it does exist to serve as text for evil.

You have perhaps also heard of Satanic rites wherein animal and human sacrifice occur. This is done in order to obtain demonic power which Satanists can wield here on earth. Particularly in the case of child or infant sacrifice, the most innocent of creatures are slaughtered in bloody rights.

These people know how to obtain power through demons. And the greatest of their rites is ... The Satanic Mass.

Perhaps you recall hearing about a Satanic Mass that was conducted in Oklahoma City last summer. Now again bear in mind that Satanism attacks what God treasures most, his Bible and the innocence of children.

But what is the most powerful thing that Satanists seek to attack and which is indispensable to a Satanic Mass?

A Eucharistic host. It is the most direct way that they can attack God, because they, the servants of the enemy, better than many Christians, KNOW THAT THIS THE ACTUAL BODY AND BLOOD OF OUR SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST.

They enter a Catholic Church and steal away hosts that they will later desecrate. Now a reminder here, they will not even bother with your crumbs. That stuff is nothing but a joke to them.

My point is, if you can dither about trying to explain what is exactly meant about getting sick or even dying eating the body and blood of the Lord, even though you don’t believe it is that, what then, causes the sickness?

So both by Holy Scripture and by the attacks made by the enemy, I hope to have shown you that the Catholic Church has truly held to the traditions of the Apostles, whereas other churches have strayed far from the truth.

The last thing I want to leave you with is this:

You may wish to think about the company you are keeping. Are you one of those who attack The Church, Mary, the Sacraments, Catholic traditions, the Pope, and all things Catholic?

So do the Satanists.

THINK ABOUT IT.

[stisidore]

I’m sorry, I have to disagree. The Ten Commandments were written by the hand Of God. THAT was the basis of the Old Covenant. The Old Testament Ark was built by human hands, to the Lord’s specifications. As an aside, it was also covered by, Gasp!, graven images.

So the law, i.e., the Covenant along with manna was INSIDE the Ark.

Christ was carried INSIDE the womb of Mary. She was/is the Ark of the New Covenant. His body was inside her body.

I don’t think this is so very difficult. Why don’t you try taking on the other points I brought up. You seem to be running away, again, from the issues I discussed. Go ahead. Give it a shot.