There is NO truth to the rumor the heathens are spreading about 7 churches in Asia.
Nope!
Posted on 05/19/2015 5:18:06 PM PDT by ebb tide
Many Catholics and others were puzzled by the appearance of Secretary General Ban Ki-moon, Professor Jeffrey Sachs and former Senator Tim Wirth as speakers or honored guests at a Vatican sponsored conference on global warming.
All three have spent years actively undermining Church teaching on questions of abortion and UN-style family planning, which includes active population control.
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There is NO truth to the rumor the heathens are spreading about 7 churches in Asia.
Nope!
It’s no fun if you have to EXPLAIN it to them!
This determination will be made by a group of men in Rome.
A majority of them anyway.
At least in SLC all votes of this important magnitude are ALWAYS unanimous: just like old Soviet Russia.
That RC opinion is as meaningless "as in my very long life, I have NEVER seen a Catholic teaching proven false......never."
For RCs manifest they only will see what they want
Instead, by God's grace a list of posts can be provided in which RCs could not defend RC teaching. Pick one or many , though RC cultic devotion renders them to be like the car thief who could not find a police station.
By means of God's grace, to His glory.
Catholics don't make decisions they submit.
Correction...
Got to remember that a number of pulpits have been “silent” too often out of FEAR of being threatened of losing that “tax exempt status.”
Has any church ACTUALLY tried this?
Heck; a small church that RENTS a storefront sure hasn't much property to be confiscated!
I was on the premises when THIS happened.
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2001/summer/church-vs-state
-— Catholics don’t make decisions they submit. -—
“If he won’t listen to the church, treat him as a pagan or tax collector” —Jesus
Rome has NEVER changed it's doctrines!
Look at the Flood. God wiped out the entire planet, except for 8 people. God can get downright upset at times, and take care of business when He sets His mind to it.
Isn't that what Muzzies do too? Not surprising. I heard a rumor, that according to the catechism, they worship the same God as the Muzzies.
841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."[330]
This passage is not a blanket order to obey the leadership of any church which claims that it alone is the one true church.
It is at the end of a discourse addressing how to handle disputes in the body.
It lays out very specifically the steps one is to go through in resolving personal conflict within the body.
Matthew 18:15-20 “If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church.
And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them.”
NOWHERE does Jesus command us to "listen to the church".
The comment is *IF he does not listen to the church, then......*
That is a gross misinterpretation of the passage to claim or imply that it is a standing order of Jesus to listen to the Catholic church.
The clear meaning is here for everyone to see. It's dealing with disputes among believers, not absolute authority given to *the Church*.
I tried to follow it because, as an independent, fundamental Baptist, we were distinctly connected to the issue
Is your point that "“Even if the Pope were Satan incarnate" it's ok to obey him? Jesus Christ rebuked Satan's work and those who stood in authority condoning such:
13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger (Pope Benedict XVI) July 13, 1988
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It is a misconception (deliberately cultivated by Modernists) that certain infallible teachings were formally set aside by the VII Council.
"Woe to the pastors, that destroy and tear the sheep of my pasture, saith the Lord". (Jeremiah 23:1).
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"The famous threefold test of Catholic orthodoxy expressed by St. Vincent of Lérins (400-50) in his two memoranda (Comonitoria): "Care must especially be had that that be held which was believed everywhere [ubique], always [semper], and by all [ab omnibus]." By this triple norm of diffusion, endurance, and universality, a Christian can distinguish religious truth from error."
https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/dictionary/index.cfm?id=37106
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To those interested in discovering the objective truth, read Denzinger and Ott (referenced in post #91), and "The Deposit of Faith: What the Catholic Church Really Believes: Jesus Teaching Divine Revelation in his Body, the Church", by Monsignor Eugene Kevane.
His was a no-win situation.
Should we ignore Christ’s Church? What am I missing?
Does Christ’s Church only have authority over bake sales?
Or does Christ’s Church have authority over accusations of heresy?
I have a Bible and Christ’s Church to interpret it.
What do you have to offer other than another Protestant’s opinion?
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