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Was The Papacy Established By Christ? (Part 1)
triablogue ^ | June 23, 2006 | Jason Engwer

Posted on 05/01/2015 11:05:57 AM PDT by RnMomof7

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To: Kenny Bunk

Was that the series where a homosexual played the Pope?


21 posted on 05/01/2015 12:38:42 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: Tao Yin
You posted, "[Simon Peter said to Simon Magus in Rome:] ‘For you now stand in direct opposition to me, who am a firm rock, the foundation of the Church’" (Clementine Homilies 17:19 [A.D. 221])."

Um, could you show me where Clementine found the details to which he alluded as having been said by Peter? ... It appears that Clementine 'interpreted' (added to might be a better way to say it) what is given in Acts 8 as if it supports a Catholic doctrine rather than precisely what is recorded in Acts.

22 posted on 05/01/2015 12:47:15 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: RnMomof7

MAYDAY!!!

MAYDAY!!!

I smell yet another 800+ thread about the same old stuff!!


Was The Papacy Established By Christ? (Part 1)

23 posted on 05/01/2015 12:48:23 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tao Yin

Catholic data shows the Catholic Church also asserted that The Profession of Peter to The Lord is the foundation of Christ’s Church. So, are there two churches here?


24 posted on 05/01/2015 12:49:17 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: Kenny Bunk; NYer

From your link Right Church, Wrong Barbeque: “As Servetus was not a citizen of Geneva, and legally could at worst be banished, the government, in an attempt to find some plausible excuse to disregard this legal reality, had consulted with other Swiss Reformed cantons (Zürich, Bern, Basel, Schaffhausen.)”

My own family was exiled from Basel in the 1600s due to religion, I guess the wrong form of Protestant, and found refuge on what is now the French side of the Franco-German border south of Saarbrucken, Germany. and for whatever reason migrated to America in the 1760s


25 posted on 05/01/2015 12:53:49 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Kenny Bunk
OTOH, though far from a Roman, I maintain that to consider the Church that was more or less the 'only Christian game in town' for 1300 years is not Christian, is quite obtuse.

There's another place where you err...

Also bear in mind that while the Reformers reformed, so did the Roman Catholic Church ... for better or worse. The central question is and always was, "Can a Roman Catholic who acknowledges the supremacy of the Bishop of Rome be saved through Faith, just like a Calvinist, or a snake-fondling Appalachian Evangelical Disciple?"

Only faith without works, lest anyone should boast...

BTW, the snake handling preacher is far closer to what Jesus commanded in fulfilling the great commission than anyone in the Catholic religion...

26 posted on 05/01/2015 12:57:24 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: RnMomof7

No.


27 posted on 05/01/2015 12:59:13 PM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: RnMomof7

There is only one person named in Scripture as the Head of the Body - Jesus. The moment you place a man, or religious organization, between Believers and their Heavenly Father, things go catawampus.


28 posted on 05/01/2015 12:59:22 PM PDT by Kandy Atz ("Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want for bread.")
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To: RnMomof7

ABSOLUTELY not. Not a word in Scripture about it.

Hoss


29 posted on 05/01/2015 1:14:34 PM PDT by HossB86 (Christ, and Him alone.)
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To: RnMomof7

Jesus was declaring the Truth to Peters answer, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
“The Rock” of the Church, is the Truth that Christ is the Messiah, the Son of the Living God. That is the Rock and solid foundation of the Church, not a human.


30 posted on 05/01/2015 1:25:39 PM PDT by vpintheak (Call the left what they are - regressive control-freaks)
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To: RnMomof7
Roman Catholicism claims the papacy as its foundation.

They certainly do. Yet the RC's on the RF are highly offended when they are called "Papists." Like its a false, derogatory word or something. Go figure.

31 posted on 05/01/2015 1:27:01 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: HossB86

I’m hard-pressed to find ANYTHING that the RCC believes that is actually in Scripture. I’m not kidding..


32 posted on 05/01/2015 1:47:15 PM PDT by smvoice ("It certainly looked like a small toe")
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To: RnMomof7

Unquestionably, YES!


33 posted on 05/01/2015 1:48:49 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline: Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Rack 'em Danno!)
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To: MHGinTN
....a homosexual played the Pope?

The BBC Pope was played by Jeremy Irons*. (I got no idea whether he's a poofda or whatever) Been married a coupla times. Got kids, etc. etc.

There were a couple-three Popes who mighta been gay and legend hath it, one was a woman. Keep it under your hat.

* He overenjoyed the role, IMNVHO, and overacted his sox off. Very campy.

34 posted on 05/01/2015 1:49:29 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Hi! We're having a constitutional crisis. Come on over!)
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; Salvation; ...

Ping!


35 posted on 05/01/2015 1:49:51 PM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: GreyFriar
Right Church, Wrong Barbeque

Glad your gang made it.

36 posted on 05/01/2015 1:51:36 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Hi! We're having a constitutional crisis. Come on over!)
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To: Iscool
Only faith without works, lest anyone should boast...

Newsflash! The Pope and the Lutherans agree on this point. However, neither is giving up their work

37 posted on 05/01/2015 1:55:45 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Hi! We're having a constitutional crisis. Come on over!)
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To: smvoice
I’m hard-pressed to find ANYTHING that the RCC believes that is actually in Scripture. I’m not kidding..

Sadly (and I do mean it honestly makes me sad), I agree. There are places where there is what appears to be an overlap -- Justification for instance -- but then, just at the last minute, they snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory by adding works to faith. And countless other instances that have been shown here.

And let's not even go into the Mariolatry.

Prayerfully there will be those who will not see these threads as "bashing" but will see them for what they are -- the presentation of the Gospel -- that The Lord will see fit to use to soften hearts of stone and open closed minds.

Hoss

38 posted on 05/01/2015 2:09:41 PM PDT by HossB86 (Christ, and Him alone.)
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To: HossB86

I am with you, Hoss. God Bless!


39 posted on 05/01/2015 2:14:14 PM PDT by smvoice ("It certainly looked like a small toe")
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To: HossB86
And let's not even go into the Mariolatry.

Hoss, The RC's are a Southern Mediterranean Mother Religion sort of outfit that in pagan times had Athena, Diana, Ishtar, Isis, etc., from the ranks of whose devotees they recruited many a fine Christian. Now it would be nuts to think a little of that wouldn't rub off and hang around, wouldn't it? OK, so they still go overboard, so what? Officially the RC's are scaling it back .... but you know ...it's popular.

Furthermore, lots of Protestant Denoms haven't made a complete break with it either. e.g., Luther was a great devoté of the Rosary. Many's the Anglican hangout where they have a Ladychapel. Still a very big deal with the Orthodox, the Copts, The Ethiopians, the Syriacs, the Armenians , etc. Good Christians all.

If you have a more discerning or mature faith, don't be a hard-ass about it. You are not going to win any pals on the other team by disparaging their affection for Mary, the Mother of God on Earth. Yes, the lower orders of the less sophisticated absolutely worship her. But their Pope says that's not right.

Good luck. BTW, when the Muslims behead Christians they are not overly concerned with doctrinal niceties. Why shoul we be?

40 posted on 05/01/2015 2:44:20 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Hi! We're having a constitutional crisis. Come on over!)
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