You can't even keep your own rhetoric straight! (Is that intentional? Or are you always so confused?)
You made two distinct accusations of two distinct "errors" -- one in post #27 (re: single women not being able to live eternally with heavenly father); the other in post #34 (re: married women & whether it mattered if they were married in the temple).
So here my post #40 dealt with the latter; and what do you do? You ignore that & revisit your post #27 re: single women...
Do you need help on basic clues, StormPrepper?
Post #40 didn't even address your accusation of "error" re: SINGLE women (I mean why would I? After all, I already covered that in post #29). It focused on MARRIED women as to whether it mattered if they were married in the temple...Here I'll help you along by quoting your comment back to you:
You took a "cue" and got it completely wrong. Will you correct your error? Not being MARRIED IN THE TEMPLE does not keep anyone out of the Celestial kingdom of God, like you said it does. (Your post #34)
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So...I've decided to help you as your personal "Sub-topical navigator" on this thread, in order to make it easier on you...I will...from now on...provide a heading for you so you know whether we are discussing married women or single women.
I take it that since you didn't address married women in post #41, you thereby concede then what I said about this matter in post #40: That the "in the temple" issue you had was with the Encyclopedia of Mormonistic folks ... not me.
Thanks indeed for your confirmation on this...by way of silence!!!
OK, if you want to hit the rerun button I will:
Yes, I said: "Even if single women get the temple rec, no hubby, no living with Heavenly Father eternally."
Why did I say that?
Here, I'll do a Q&A with your two "prophets" -- as if they were being interviewed personally by me (original quotes are in post #29):
Q: Mr. Prophet's nephew...a LOT of Mormon single women out there, ya know. In light of that, if you had to narrow down 'one of the most important' (Mormon) 'doctrines ever revealed to man in any age of the world', what might that be?
A: (By Joseph F. Smith, Joseph Smith's nephew): '...this doctrine of the eternal union of the husband and wife and of plural marriage."
Q: Tell us, Joseph F. Smith, why & how is this doctrine of such import?
A: (Joseph F. Smith): "Without it man would come to a full stop; without it we never could be exalted to associate with and become gods neither could we attain to the power of eternal increase...
(Source: Journal of Discourses, Vol. 21, pp. 9-10)
Q: So, to recap: No exaltation minus the eternal union of a husband and wife?
A: (Joseph F. Smith): Are you not listening? As I just said, 'Without...this doctrine of the eternal union of husband and wife...we never could be exalted...'
Q: Thank you, Mr. Smith.
As an aside, just so that others know that when Lds say "exaltation" they mean living forever with Heavenly Father, I need to add these theological notes as charted here:
| When Mormons talk about eternal life & exaltation, they're not just talking about "heaven" What's the "rest of the story"? * Mormons believe that only their “Melchizedek priests” (D&C 76:57) are the ones eligible for “dwell[ing] in the presence of God and his Christ forever and ever.” (D&C 76:62) In the Mormon view of heaven, ONLY those entering into Mormon "covenants" and obeying fully Mormon laws get to live forever in God's presence: * Eternal life is living with Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ in the celestial kingdom. This blessing--which is also called exaltation--comes only to those who keep the commandments and make the necessary covenants (Source: Preparing for Exaltation Teacher's Manual, p. 4, 1998) * ”Immortality is to live forever as a resurrected being. Through the Atonement of Jesus Christ, everyone will receive this gift. Eternal life, or exaltation, is to inherit a place in the highest degree of the celestial kingdom, where we will live in God’s presence and continue as families.” (same source, p. 52) * “’Eternal life’ is a higher state than immortality alone and means to live forever in a resurrected condition in the presence of God, and to become like God…Eternal life is exaltation into the type and quality of life that God lives. Receiving eternal life is conditional, predicated upon obedience to the fullness of gospel law and ordinances (D&C 29:43-44; 130:20-21). It requires voluntary obedience to all of the ordinances and principles of the gospel…continuing through…the covenants of the Endowment and marriage in the temple…” (Encyclopedia of Mormonism, 2:677-678) |
Now, I will do the same thing: A "Q&A" (of sorts) with Joseph Smith's great nephew -- deceased Lds "prophet" Joseph Fielding Smith:
Q. Sir...Mr. Joseph Fielding Smith...we've been talking about all these Mormon single women...and whether that effects their potential "exaltation" and whether that impacts them being able to receive "fullness" in God's kingdom. Tell us, what's your take on all of this?
A: (Joseph Fielding Smith): "So if you want to enter into exaltation and become as God, that is a son of God or a daughter of God, and receive a fulness of the kingdom, then you have got to abide in his law-not merely the law of marriage but all that pertains to the new and everlasting covenant... (Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. II, p. 63)
Q: So that indeed includes the "law of marriage," then?
A: What did I just say?
Q: Well, you did say "marriage" was a "law..." I'd guess we'd have to wonder when is a law not a law, and when can laws be selectively obeyed?
Q: Thank you for your comments, Mr. Joseph Fielding Smith. Just wanna let you know that some grassroots Mormons out there seem to have some heartburn with your comments and those of Mr. Joseph F. Smith!
Correction of which post #. This should be post #30.