Bill Donohue comments on several campaigns against Catholic schools:Posted on 04/17/2015 2:30:05 PM PDT by NYer
Bill Donohue comments on several campaigns against Catholic schools:
We never hear of attempts by outsiders to dictate to Jews how to run their yeshivas. The same is true of the increasing number of Islamic schools: no one tells Muslims what their employment policies should be. The same is not true of Catholic schools.
It is one thing for Catholic alumni, faculty, and students to register misgivings about school employment policies, quite another when the government, non-profits, local activists, celebrities, the media, and corporations stick their noses in where they don’t belong.
Moreover, teachers are not being fired, or hired, because they happen to be gay: they are being rejected because they are flaunting their gay lifestyle. That’s not a small difference.
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Wish he could be resurrected.
Nope, it is another example of what happened in Quebec.
Her job might be in danger.
If Catholics are not allowed to participate in non-Catholic weddings—If a Catholic’s daughter is getting married he cannot walk her down the aisle—I would think they would not let a non-Catholic in such a high position.
But they probably went for the most qualified person, and that would be your wife.
Good luck!
True enough. The church has always had persecution from without and dissenters from within: i.e. heretics, schismatics and apostates.
Thank you. Mrs. D.
Being religious, at least from my experience, is something that you TRAIN yourself to be, by my own honest accounts. Sure, when I started running 5K races, I took 25 minutes to complete the race, two years later, it was a different story. Same with being a decent human being. Takes training to be such, at least for me. I prefer to think of morality as a sport, it’s something you have to train and maintain in yourself.
Indeed. This is the reason most of us are alive and in our particular situation. We have a job to do - fix ourselves.
Let me offer an alternative hypothesis: their abandonment of Catholic faith and morals in their discharge of their public responsibilities as citizens, reflects not obedience but wayward self-will.
For better or for worse, I know that many Catholic schools have non-Catholic teachers and even high non-Catholic administrators.
Here in East Tennessee, where only 2% of the population is Catholic, it seemed the only way to keep the school staffed. That might not be true in all dioceses.
I have not seen the contract, but I think all teachers, of whatever religious affiliation, are expected to publicly affirm Catholic faith and morals. Our school staff has no problem with that.
Morpheus2009: Being religious, at least from my experience, is something that you TRAIN yourself to be, by my own honest accounts. Sure, when I started running 5K races, I took 25 minutes to complete the race, two years later, it was a different story. Same with being a decent human being. Takes training to be such, at least for me. I prefer to think of morality as a sport, it’s something you have to train and maintain in yourself.
A pertinent point (and I am not backpeddling here) is that I was addressing Catholics who are also liberals. Which means the psychological similarities I pointed out are shared.
By definition, therefore, I am not talking about Catholics who are conservatives. Because while a liberal Catholic and a conservative Catholic can stand side-by-side and recite the same catechism, the liberal recites it out of obedience for the sake of obedience, while the conservative Catholic recites it for the sake of obedience from understanding and a personal decision of agreement.
I am not buttering up conservative Catholics. I'll argue about Catholicism all day long with any of you : ) What I mean is, to a liberal Catholic, if I argue with them about some aspect of the catechism, they will respond to the fact that I am arguing about the catechism at all. In other words, they see it as a challenge to the unity of their obedience.
A conservative Catholic, however, will ask me what issues I disagree with, and go there with me. They are not frightened that I have objections. Their faith is not personally attacked because they have to look at specifics and details and defend their own knowledge. Again, I mean no flattery in this.
Simply put, conservative Catholics will act in this way for the same reason they are politically conservative - because they think things through for themselves and take personal responsibility for their decisions. So in the case of religion, they are the same as they are in politics and anything else - they want to know how it works, why it works, who said it, why they said it, and where the reference material is. It's just them. And in the specific case of Catholicism, these people are Catholics because as a result of that process, upon the study of Catholic teachings and personal reflection, they choose to be obedient because after studying it, they agree with it - and know why they agree with it.
Liberal Catholics follow the same general route of unified psychological approach - except their modus operandi for their lives is obedience for the sake of obedience for the sake of the herd effect. So when it comes to politics, they go with the herd and get shrill and defensive if challenged on facts and personal position. Same with Catholicism - they accept it in the way that is "fashionable" for the crowd they run with.
And if that crowd is politically liberal, then a way has to be found to be Catholic while still being liberal. And so they follow those who decide upon such a path for the collective they are a part of - and do not like to be questioned about it. Because for them, the issues are irrelevent - even specific religious issues. For them, the obedience is the entire subject of every subject, including Catholicism.
Two entirely separate universes.
A liberal Catholic recites the catechism?
Out of obedience?
On what planet?
Maybe you should try to make your interesting point again, in a somewhat different way, because the above is snortingly dubious.
It was a metaphor. What I meant is that a liberal Catholic will look you straight in the eyes and tell you they are a good Catholic, a proper Catholic. And if you bring up the catechism they'll include that, too - and if you question them, they'll tell you they don't have to answer to you. This is just a fact. I was merely proffering an opinion as to how they can do this, not whether they do it.
I have known many such "Catholics.". They are utterly conscienceless, and give the impression that if you wait long enough, their heads will turn 360 degrees around their necks. They are Legion.
One non-Catholic FReeper recently opined that:<> "Christians don't worry about keeping God's commandments...They have been fulfilled in Jesus..."
I wouldn't feel safe in the same room with that fellow.
Mrs. Dono, your prose is....priceless. “snortingly dubious”. I’m stealing this from you it’s so funny!!!!
No indeed, not just Catholics.
Hypocrisy has become a plague that crosses all boundaries.
Feel free!
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