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Strange but Rich Verses: What Does Acts 1:4 Mean by Saying That Jesus Was “Eating Salt with Them”?
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 04-14-15 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 04/15/2015 7:02:30 AM PDT by Salvation

Strange but Rich Verses File: What Does Acts 1:4 Mean by Saying That Jesus Was “Eating Salt with Them”?

By: Msgr. Charles Pope

good salt

There is an unusual verse that occurs in the first chapter of the Acts the Apostles, describing a gathering of Jesus and the Apostles after the resurrection but before the ascension. For the most part, modern translations do not reveal the full oddity of the verse. The verse in question, as rendered by the Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition, is,

And while staying with them he charged them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise of the Father (Acts 1:4).

However, a number of scripture scholars, including none other than Joseph Ratzinger, point out that the verse is more literally translated as follows:

And while eating salt with them he charged them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise of the Father.

We will discuss in a moment the significance of eating salt (basically a reference to the New Covenant), but first there do seem to be some differences about how to understand the Greek.

The most common Greek lexicon, Strong’s, makes no mention of the connection of the word συναλιζόμενος (synalizomenos) to salt. It parses the word as syn (with) + halizo (to throng or accumulate), therefore “to assemble together.”

However another Greek dictionary, A Grammatical Analysis of the Greek New Testament (Pontifical Biblical Institute), includes a different analysis of the word: syn (with) + halas (salt), therefore “to take salt together,” or by extension, “to share a meal.”

So there seem to be two rather different notions of the root words or etymology involved. It is also interesting that none of the writings of the Greek fathers that I was able to consult make any mention of the possible connection to salt, though St. John Chrysostom does connect the word to a meal rather than a mere gathering.

I know just enough Greek to be dangerous; I certainly cannot sort out why some Greek sources make no mention of salt and seem to parse the word differently. But for our purposes let’s just chalk it up to a difference among experts, much as is the case with another passage on which I have written here: Agapas vs. Phileo.

I would like to explore the view that the verse says that the Lord was “eating salt with them.” How odd to our modern ears, especially in times when the “food police” treat salt almost as a poison! But salt remains very precious today, even if less necessary than it was in the ancient world.

Let’s consider what Pope Emeritus Benedict wrote (as Joseph Ratzinger):

For a correct understanding … the word used by Luke—synalizómenos—is of great significance. Literally translated, it means “eating salt with them.” Luke must have chosen the word quite deliberately. Yet what is it supposed to mean? In the Old Testament the enjoyment of bread and salt, or of salt alone, served to establish lasting covenants (cf Num 18:19; 2 Chrin 13:5). Salt is regarded as a guarantee of durability. It is a remedy against putrefaction, against the corruption that pertains to the nature of death. To eat is always to hold death at bay—it is a way of preserving life. The “eating of salt” by Jesus after the Resurrection, which we therefore encounter as a sign of new and everlasting life, points to the Lord’s new banquet with his followers … it has an inner association with the Last Supper, when the Lord established the New Covenant. So the mysterious cipher of eating salt expresses an inner bond between the [Last Supper] and the risen Lord’s new table fellowship; he gives himself to his followers as food and thus makes them sharers in his life, in life itself … the Lord is drawing the disciples into a New Covenant-fellowship with him … he is giving them a share in the real life, making them truly alive and slating their lives through participation in his Passion, the purifying power of his suffering  (Jesus of Nazareth Vol. 2, pp. 271-272).

So indeed salt and covenants are tied. Here are a few verses that make the connection:

Whatever is set aside from the holy offerings the Israelites present to the Lord I give to you and your sons and daughters as your perpetual share. It is an everlasting covenant of salt before the Lord for both you and your offspring (Numbers 18:19).

Don’t you know that the Lord, the God of Israel, has given the kingship of Israel to David and his descendants forever by a covenant of salt? (2 Chronicles 13:5)

Season all your grain offerings with salt. Do not leave the salt of the covenant of your God out of your grain offerings; add salt to all your offerings (Leviticus 2:13).

It makes sense that Luke would refer to Jesus as eating salt with the disciples. To untrained ears it may seem odd, but to ears tuned to the biblical world the reference has great significance. Jesus is affirming the New Covenant and this expression points to that.

Of course it is no mere table fellowship; it is the meal of the New Covenant we have come to call the Mass. Hence without doing disservice to Luke’s description we can say (in our more developed theological language) that during the forty days before He ascended, the Lord celebrated Mass with them. And thus the Emmaus description (Luke 24:30) of Him at the table giving thanks, blessing, breaking, and giving them the bread so that they recognize him therein is not the only allusion to a post-resurrection Mass.

“Eating salt with them” or “staying with them”? You decide. (I vote for salt. )



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Theology
KEYWORDS: acts14; actstheapostles; catholic; eatingsalt; eatingsaltwiththem; jesus; life; msgrcharlespope; salt; sodium; sodiumchloride; stayingwiththem
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To: vladimir998

Do not broad brush every Protestant posting here as liars.

Your post will be removed.


41 posted on 04/15/2015 11:20:44 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; Salvation; ...

Late to another excellent Msgr. Pope reflection, ping!


42 posted on 04/15/2015 1:11:53 PM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: Salvation

The reference may possibly be a martial reference. My son the classicist reports to me:

“Aristotle says that only men who have eaten salt together can truly be friends. After marching to the field of battle in full armor, the Greeks would eat salt before engaging in order to replace what they lost in sweat (since otherwise one faces debilitating cramps).”

Thus, there is something about “eating salt together” that makes men “comrades-in-arms,” that is about being in battle together, or striving together.

But that doesn’t necessarily mean that it carries the same connotation among the Greek speakers of the New Testament community.


43 posted on 04/15/2015 1:16:32 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: dangus

nice try


44 posted on 04/15/2015 4:29:18 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Campion
How many times are you going to keep repeating this falsehood? There is no "re sacrifice," there is only one sacrifice, made present in our time.

The sacrifice was DONE almost 2,000 years ago when Jesus said, "It is finished!"

There is no sacrifice presently going on anywhere that we are participating in.

At the moment, in heaven, Jesus is PRESENTLY seated at the right hand of God waiting for His enemies to be made His footstool while presently interceding for us, His saints, according to the will of God.

Scripture is clear about what Jesus is doing at the moment in heaven and it isn't perpetually dying.

45 posted on 04/15/2015 5:06:31 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Religion Moderator

“Do not broad brush every Protestant posting here as liars. Your post will be removed.”

So you will also now be removing all posts that claim Catholics worship the Virgin Mary, right? After all it would be wrong to “broad brush every [Catholic] posting here as [worshiper of the Virgin Mary]”, right?

Oh, and by the way, I believe I said “Protestant anti-Catholics” and not “Protestant” so your complaint that I “broad brush every Protestant posting here as liars” isn’t even correct.


46 posted on 04/15/2015 6:55:09 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Verginius Rufus
catch the force of the Greek mou "from me."

Yes, come to think of it, good translation, in the context.

47 posted on 04/15/2015 7:16:13 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: sitetest

I thought of this theory this morning. With Jesus and the apostles walking a lot in the desert, hot and sweaty, eating salt might be the best thing for them.

I nearly had a case of heat stroke because I didn’t have enough salt in my body. It’s scary.


48 posted on 04/15/2015 9:57:49 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: vladimir998
"Broad brushing" wasn't the issue.

Accusing a group of posters of being liars is the issue.

Lying attributes motive and therefore is mindreading, which is personal.

...your complaint that I "broad brush every Protestant posting here as liars" isn't even correct.

That's not what was said to you.

You were admonished to "not broad brush every Protestant posting here as liars" to make it clear that going further with your not adhering to the guidelines for posting on the Religion Forum would not be tolerated.

If you wish to continue to misinterpret what was said to you, we can review your posts before they are allowed to be put on threads.

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

49 posted on 04/15/2015 10:40:54 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator

Are you going to spell out the posting restrictions you’ve put on me?


51 posted on 04/16/2015 8:40:17 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

Your back and forth with the mod is a prime example of a private convo I’ve had with several other FReepers. It is affecting donations.


52 posted on 04/17/2015 10:38:35 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Salvation; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; ...
Of course it is no mere table fellowship; it is the meal of the New Covenant we have come to call the Mass. Hence without doing disservice to Luke’s description we can say (in our more developed theological language) that during the forty days before He ascended, the Lord celebrated Mass with them.

Typical wanton Cath extrapolative eisegesis. The RC takes a texts which seems to refer to eating together, and makes the simple statement into eating the flesh and blood of Christ over the course of 40 days, based upon the erroneous doctrine of transubstantiation n with its NeoPlatonic concepts.

53 posted on 04/18/2015 4:25:59 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Salvation

Again, terrible Greek interpretation - eisogesis to fit a doctrine that developed later in history as paganism was integrated into the catholic denomination.

Why do you post poor quality analysis when so much great stuff is written about God’s Word..?


54 posted on 04/18/2015 4:45:49 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "Forward lies the crown, and onward is the goal.")
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

I don’t consider it poor quality. After all it’s coming from a Monsignor.


55 posted on 04/18/2015 4:57:34 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

“Nominative Circumstantial Frame

Nominative circumstantial frame—Nominative participial clauses that are positioned before the main verb to establish a state of affairs for the clause that flows. The use of the participle backgrounds the action with respect to the main verb of the clause in order to ensure that the main action receives primary attention. Nominative circumstantial frames are used when the subject of the participle is the same as the subject of the main clause. See the Introduction for further discussion on Nominative Circumstantial Frames.”

From the Lexam Discourse Greek New Testament


56 posted on 04/18/2015 4:59:31 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "Forward lies the crown, and onward is the goal.")
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To: Salvation
Of course it is no mere table fellowship; it is the meal of the New Covenant we have come to call the Mass. Hence without doing disservice to Luke’s description we can say (in our more developed theological language) that during the forty days before He ascended, the Lord celebrated Mass with them. And thus the Emmaus description (Luke 24:30) of Him at the table giving thanks, blessing, breaking, and giving them the bread so that they recognize him therein is not the only allusion to a post-resurrection Mass.

Makes sense to me...Meat without salt is pretty bland...

57 posted on 04/18/2015 5:00:55 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Salvation

“I don’t consider it poor quality. After all it’s coming from a Monsignor.”

Sorry Salvation - and I truly wish salvation for you - it is very poor handling of the Greek text, regardless of his position.


58 posted on 04/18/2015 5:01:04 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "Forward lies the crown, and onward is the goal.")
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To: daniel1212; Salvation; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; redleghunter; ...
Of course it is no mere table fellowship; it is the meal of the New Covenant we have come to call the Mass. Hence without doing disservice to Luke’s description we can say (in our more developed theological language) that during the forty days before He ascended, the Lord celebrated Mass with them.

I would like to see the infallible commentary , by the magisterium, on that scripture..

59 posted on 04/18/2015 5:39:49 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Salvation
I don’t consider it poor quality. After all it’s coming from a Monsignor.

So, is something coming from a monsignor supposed to be some kind of guarantee against it being poor quality.

60 posted on 04/18/2015 6:24:26 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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