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Are Christians Under the 10 Commandments?
Desiring God ^ | August 7, 2010 | John Piper

Posted on 04/12/2015 11:16:47 AM PDT by RnMomof7

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To: Arthur McGowan
This stuff about the sheep and the goats is nowhere in the gospel. It’s just man-made Protestant ideology.

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Matthew 25:31-46   Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)

31 And when the Son of man shall come in his majesty, and all the angels with him, then shall he sit upon the seat of his majesty.

32 And all nations shall be gathered together before him, and he shall separate them one from another, as the shepherd separateth the sheep from the goats:

33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left.

34 Then shall the king say to them that shall be on his right hand: Come, ye blessed of my Father, possess you the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.

35 For I was hungry, and you gave me to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me to drink; I was a stranger, and you took me in:

36 Naked, and you covered me: sick, and you visited me: I was in prison, and you came to me.

37 Then shall the just answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry, and fed thee; thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38 And when did we see thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and covered thee?

39 Or when did we see thee sick or in prison, and came to thee?

40 And the king answering, shall say to them: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it to one of these my least brethren, you did it to me.

41 Then he shall say to them also that shall be on his left hand: Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels.

42 For I was hungry, and you gave me not to eat: I was thirsty, and you gave me not to drink.

43 I was a stranger, and you took me not in: naked, and you covered me not: sick and in prison, and you did not visit me.

44 Then they also shall answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister to thee?

45 Then he shall answer them, saying: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it not to one of these least, neither did you do it to me.

46 And these shall go into everlasting punishment: but the just, into life everlasting.

181 posted on 04/14/2015 10:22:53 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: RnMomof7

182 posted on 04/14/2015 10:25:34 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Arthur McGowan
Jesus tells the good people to enter into eternal happiness, and he tells the bad people to enter into eternal fire. This isn't about salvation????????

"Mat 25;34Then the King will say to those on His right, 'Come, you who are blessed of My Father, INHERIT the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.

Note the word INHERIT ..NO ONE EARNS an inheritance .He does not say, "Enter the kingdom." Instead, He proclaims: " Inherit the kingdom."If I say I ENTER a building ..that is far different than INHERITING the building..

Context is always important when dividing the word of God...This was one of a series of parables given by Christ and recorded together in Mat 25

The four parables which come before this parable (Mat 24:42-25:30) are all about REWARDS God is giving to His faithful and the lack of rewards for the ones without faith

Mat 16:27"For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father, with his angels; and then he shall REWARD every man according to his works."

Arthur notice at the end of the parable the sheep were unaware of ever doing anything for Jesus... they were not seeking salvation or a reward ..Mat 25:37"Then the righteous will answer Him, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry, and feed You, or thirsty, and give You something to drink? 38'And when did we see You a stranger, and invite You in, or naked, and clothe You? 39'When did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?' 40"The King will answer and say to them, 'Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.'…

...Colossians 3:23-24 Regarding slaves/servants, Paul said, "Whatever you do, do your work heartily, as for the Lord rather than for men; knowing that from the Lord you will receive the reward of the inheritance. It is the Lord whom you serve."

183 posted on 04/14/2015 11:05:43 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Arthur McGowan
This stuff about the sheep and the goats is nowhere in the gospel. It’s just man-made Protestant ideology.

1 Peter 5:4 And at the coming of the chief Keeper of the sheep, you will be given the eternal crown of glory.

184 posted on 04/14/2015 11:10:38 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: CynicalBear
The Catholic Church threw out the second commandment long ago

No, I'm pretty sure Catholics can keep and bear arms.

185 posted on 04/14/2015 11:12:33 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: dartuser
One more time...the 10 commandments NEVER APPLIED to the gentile nations.. in the OT you NEVER see the gentile nations punished for their failure to keep the ten commandments.. as you do Israel

That law was given SPECIFICALLY to the Jews so they would understand they would understand that they were sinners and they needed a Savior

The gentiles were never held to the commandments ...Paul explained in Romans.2:14For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, 15in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them, 16on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus.

From Gill

Which show the work of the law written in their hearts,.... Though the Gentiles had not the law in form, written on tables, or in a book, yet they had "the work", the matter, the sum and substance of it in their minds; as appears by the practices of many of them, in their external conversation.

The moral law, in its purity and perfection, was written on the heart of Adam in his first creation; was sadly obliterated by his sin and fall; upon several accounts, and to answer various purposes, a system of laws was written on tables of stone for the use of the Israelites; and in regeneration the law is reinscribed on the hearts of God's people; and even among the Gentiles, and in their hearts, there are some remains of the old law and light of nature, which as by their outward conduct appears, so by the inward motions of their minds,

BTW there is NO EVIDENCE 1 John was written to gentiles ...

1 John itself contains no hint of the identity of the Christian community to which it was addressed, nor does it give any specific clue to the identification of the locale involved where these believers lived. The only thing that can be said for certain about the intended readers based on the content of the letter itself is that (1) they were Christians, (2) they appear to have been well-known to the author (and he to them), and (3) they were facing a threat from false teaching, a threat which was both serious and which appears to have arisen from within their Christian community(1 John 2:18-19).https://bible.org/seriespage/2-background-and-setting-1-john

Paul was "assigned" to be the apostle to the Gentiles ...so looking at the other epistles we can assume they were written to Christian Jews

186 posted on 04/14/2015 11:25:27 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
I love Romans 7:4-6. By way of analogy, it says that you are married to the law. And you better stay married because if you leave this husband and go marry another you are going to be called an adulterer. But if your husband dies, then you can go and remarry.

1.) Romans 7 is specifically for those that KNOW THE LAW. It is not an analogy. It is a revelation.

2.) Very few Christians keep the 10 or try to keep the 10 (all throwing the fourth away as a matter of course, which intrinsically throws away 1,2, and 3 with it.)

3.) The big TWO, the big TEN, Moral vs. Ceremonial, those reiterated in the NT vs. those that are not... Christians learned well from Rome about how to cut up the eternal Torah. There are no divisions. it is ONE THING. It cannot be added to, nor taken from.

4.) Yeshua and his disciples cannot preach anything BUT Torah, or they are false prophets. They cannot have changed it (cannot be added to nor taken from). Nor can they have instituted any new rite or ritual - Right-worship is specifically defined.

5.) Yeshua preached his Father's doctrine, and His Father's doctrine IS Torah. It's purpose is to show sin, to discern between the set-apart (sanctified) and the common, to show right-worship and right-living, and Teshuva (something like repentance) - Turning toward YHWH... turning toward Yeshua. Torah is perfect for the conversion of the soul. It is not for, nor has it ever been for, salvation. No one has ever been justified by the blood of lambs and bulls (according to Torah itself).

6.)SIN is the transgression of Torah. Your Master bids you 'go and sin no more'.

All y'all need to study the front of the Book.

187 posted on 04/14/2015 11:45:39 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: RnMomof7

188 posted on 04/14/2015 11:46:10 AM PDT by Gamecock (Why do bad things happen to good people? That only happened once, and He volunteered. R.C. Sproul)
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To: RnMomof7
One more time...the 10 commandments NEVER APPLIED to the gentile nations.. in the OT you NEVER see the gentile nations punished for their failure to keep the ten commandments.. as you do Israel

Some of them did apply to the Gentiles; almost all of the Ten Commandments can be seen applying to the Gentiles except for knowing God uniquely as the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as well as keeping the Sabbath holy.

And the word of the Lord came unto Jonah the second time, saying, Arise, go unto Nineveh, that great city, and preach unto it the preaching that I bid thee. So Jonah arose, and went unto Nineveh, according to the word of the Lord. Now Nineveh was an exceeding great city of three days' journey. And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown. So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them. For word came unto the king of Nineveh, and he arose from his throne, and he laid his robe from him, and covered him with sackcloth, and sat in ashes. And he caused it to be proclaimed and published through Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying, Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste any thing: let them not feed, nor drink water: But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that is in their hands. Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not? And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.
Jonah, Catholic chapter three, in its entirety,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

Jewish Tradition, which seems compatible with the Council of Jerusalem in this regard, held the Gentiles were responsible for The Seven Noachide Laws

The Noachide Laws are seven laws considered by rabbinic tradition as the minimal moral duties required by the Bible on all men. While Jews are obligated to observe the whole Torah - 613 commandments, every non-Jew is considered a "son of the covenant of Noah" and he who accepts these obligations is considered a righteous person who is guaranteed a place in the world to come.

The seven Noachide laws, as traditionally enumerated are:

Do Not Deny God
Do Not Blaspheme God
Do Not Murder
Do Not Engage in Incestuous, Adulterous or Homosexual Relationships.
Do Not Steal
Do Not Eat of a Live Animal
Establish Courts/Legal System to Ensure Law Obedience

189 posted on 04/14/2015 12:47:08 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: Mr. Lucky

LOL! I think that was an amendment.


190 posted on 04/14/2015 3:48:00 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: af_vet_1981
The Seven Noachide Laws were given to non Jews....no surprise that there is some similarity ...I want to say that a saved man holds himself far more accountable than the Jewish law.. .. as the Holy Spirit convicts him of things that God hates that never were listed in either set of laws

As Bunyan is quoted as saying..even my holiest prayer is a sin before God ...

191 posted on 04/14/2015 3:48:43 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
This is just a strange conversation ... you keep affirming a conjecture that is completely irrelevant and insisting that the commands of scripture are optional.

I will let the scriptures speak that last word ...

1 Thes. 4:2-8
2 For you know what commandments we gave you by the authority of the Lord Jesus.
3 For this is the will of God, your sanctification; that is, that you abstain from sexual immorality;
4 that each of you know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor,
5 not in lustful passion, like the Gentiles who do not know God;
6 and that no man transgress and defraud his brother in the matter because the Lord is the avenger in all these things, just as we also told you before and solemnly warned you.
7 For God has not called us for the purpose of impurity, but in sanctification.
8 So, he who rejects this is not rejecting man but the God who gives His Holy Spirit to you.

Appreciate your articles though, keep up the good work.

192 posted on 04/14/2015 4:47:45 PM PDT by dartuser
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To: RnMomof7
As Bunyan is quoted as saying..even my holiest prayer is a sin before God ...

John Bunyan's Pilgrim's Progess seems to me aggressively anti-OSAS.

What I wonder about John Bunyan is how his military service from 1644 to 1647 in the midst of the English Civil War informed his view of sin and depravity. He acknowledged being a ringleader in all manner of vice. I wonder if he committed murder or rape as a member of the Parliamentary Army. At least he left the army before Cromwell invaded Ireland.

193 posted on 04/14/2015 4:51:19 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: dartuser
Acts tells us that the congregation was formed after a period of time teaching in the Synagogue.....so the commandments would be applicable ...also look at your own quote

1 thes4 ;4 that each of you know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor, 5 not in lustful passion, like the Gentiles who do not know God;

194 posted on 04/14/2015 5:41:41 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: af_vet_1981

LOL...He was right about the death of our sin


195 posted on 04/14/2015 5:42:36 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: af_vet_1981

1.Do Not Deny God
2.Do Not Blaspheme God
3.Do Not Murder
4.Do Not Engage in Incestuous, Adulterous or Homosexual Relationships.
5.Do Not Steal
6.Do Not Eat of a Live Animal
7.Establish Courts/Legal System to Ensure Law Obedience

Where, in the OT, are these found?


196 posted on 04/14/2015 6:10:24 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: RnMomof7

The Law is fulfilled in the flesh. But the flesh is corrupt.

I think this is the entire point of the New Covenant. It is fulfilled in the spirit and so is incorruptible.


197 posted on 04/14/2015 6:14:23 PM PDT by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: RnMomof7

And in what man-made ideology is the “reward” given to us in heaven something distinct from “salvation”?


198 posted on 04/14/2015 8:48:53 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: RnMomof7
The Seven Noachide Laws were given to non Jews....no surprise that there is some similarity

Thus you confirm that the clear majority of the Ten Commandments apply to the Gentiles as well.

199 posted on 04/15/2015 6:57:13 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981
Thus you confirm that the clear majority of the Ten Commandments apply to the Gentiles as well.

The Noachide law was given to gentiles.. all gentiles are not Christian ...

200 posted on 04/15/2015 7:58:56 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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