Spy Wednesday and a Reflection on the Sins of the Clergy

Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 03-31-15 | Msgr. Charles Pope

[Elsie]

Death and Taxes

We got the fields covered!

[Elsie]

You have been told the truth, You ignore it at your own risk.

Yup...

Pope Stephen VI (896–897), who had his predecessor Pope Formosus exhumed, tried, de-fingered, briefly reburied, and thrown in the Tiber.^[1]

Pope John XII (955–964), who gave land to a mistress, murdered several people, and was killed by a man who caught him in bed with his wife.

Pope Benedict IX (1032–1044, 1045, 1047–1048), who "sold" the Papacy

Pope Boniface VIII (1294–1303), who is lampooned in Dante's Divine Comedy

Pope Urban VI (1378–1389), who complained that he did not hear enough screaming when Cardinals who had conspired against him were tortured.^[2]

Pope Alexander VI (1492–1503), a Borgia, who was guilty of nepotism and whose unattended corpse swelled until it could barely fit in a coffin.^[3]

Pope Leo X (1513–1521), a spendthrift member of the Medici family who once spent 1/7 of his predecessors' reserves on a single ceremony^[4]

Pope Clement VII (1523–1534), also a Medici, whose power-politicking with France, Spain, and Germany got Rome sacked.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bad_Popes

[Elsie]

Did anyone claim sinless clergy?

No comment...

[Elsie]

I'm not ready to write ANYONE off who clings to Our Lord... no matter how wrongheaded they may be.

Even Mormons?

[Elsie]

So you have declared yourself God? Wouldn’t that make you the anti Christ?

No...

That's the other guy.

Antichrist; as found in the bible;

 

      

 

These are the only places that antichrist is mentioned.

 

 

 

1 John 2:18
  Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.
 
1 John 2:22
Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist —denying the Father and the Son.
 
1 John 4:3
but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist , which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
 
2 John 1:7
I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist .
 

[Elsie]

That's the other guy.

2 Thessalonians 2:4

He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

[Elsie]

How DARE you drag FACTS into an emotional ‘discussion’!

[Elsie]

a rose, by any other name, is still a rose....they were priests

 

'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone,

' it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less.'

'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.'

'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.'  

[Elsie]

A rose; by any other name; would be called something else.

[Elsie]

How did Paul find out about Jesus appearing to 500 people at once? It’s not in any Gospel......it’s tradition. It was passed by word of mouth to Paul.

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Luke 1:1-4 (NIV)

Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us, just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word.
With this in mind, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I too decided to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught.

[Elsie]

You've chosen a mighty fine screen name for FR use.

Be sure not to tarnish it with blanket statements that have no evidence to back them up.

You do not have Christ at any time because you reject his priests.

[Elsie]

I don’t remember anyone telling you that you had to be a Catholic or go to hell.

HMMMmmm...

"One indeed is the universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved, in which the priest himself is the sacrifice, Jesus Christ, whose body and blood are truly contained in the sacrament of the altar under the species of bread and wine; the bread (changed) into His body by the divine power of transubstantiation, and the wine into the blood, so that to accomplish the mystery of unity we ourselves receive from His (nature) what He Himself received from ours." — Pope Innocent III and Lateran Council IV (A.D. 1215)

Therefore, if anyone says that it is not by the institution of Christ the lord himself (that is to say, by divine law) that blessed Peter should have perpetual successors in the primacy over the whole Church; or that the Roman Pontiff is not the successor of blessed Peter in this primacy: let him be anathema. — Vatican 1, Ses. 4, Cp. 1

[Elsie]

Mr. Mercat and I spent a couple of years in the Unitarian Church before I came home.

Where were you BEFORE the UC?

[Elsie]

Even those who hate Catholics.

Who would these folks be?

[Elsie]

Totally uncalled-for. 👎

Why do you say this?

Are we no longer allowed to QUESTION anything?

[Elsie]

It's extremely difficult to assume good intentions with such remarks spewed that way.

What was UNTRUE about what was typed?

[Elsie]

It's extremely difficult to assume good intentions with such remarks spewed that way.

Being pulled apart on the rack will tend to 'insure good intentions' in those that are NOT on it.

[Elsie]

...proverbs warns against being too sure you are right....

Good point!

[Mercat]

hippies. LOL so it was slightly better.

[Elsie]

Prayers up for all our brethren in humanity, especially our leaders in faith.

Especially those listed by me so often.

The ones that terycarl gets upset over seeing.