John 6: Believing on Jesus as the Messiah. or not

3/29/15 | Faith Presses On

[CynicalBear]

>>I see no proof of the errors of the teaching of the Catholic Church.<<

I hope you didn't think that would come as a surprise to me. We've shown many errors of Catholic teaching but those who have been indoctrinated by them don't see it. Those that follow Islam don't see the errors either. Neither do those that follow Mormonism. Catholics, Mormons, and Muslims all have their beliefs beyond what scripture teaches.

>>Even if the Catholic Church adopted customs of others does not make it pagan.<<

Let me highlight it for you.

The use of temples, and these dedicated to particular saints, and ornamented on occasions with branches of trees; incense, lamps, and candles; votive offerings on recovery from illness; holy water; asylums; holydays and seasons, use of calendars, processions, blessings on the fields; sacerdotal vestments, the tonsure, the ring in marriage, turning to the East, images at a later date, perhaps the ecclesiastical chant, and the Kyrie Eleison, are all of pagan origin, and sanctified by their adoption into the Church.[Cardinal Newman - Development of Christian Doctrine, pg 373]

>>I often wonder if you follow false gods while rejecting the teachings of the Catholic Church and using the Catholic Bible incorrectly to support your beliefs?<<

Oh it's the Catholic Bible now? No longer God's word? Would you show from scripture where the "oracles of God" were entrusted to the Catholics?

>>Do you accept any of the teachings of The Catholic Church?<<

The Catholic Church has to keep some legitimate beliefs to deceive those that don't know scripture well.

>>The Trinity?<<

Of course.

>>Baptism?<<

Not the way Catholics believe it.

>>Final judgment?<<

For unbelievers? Of course.

>>Forgiveness of sins?<<

Of course. But not through some fake priest.

>>Communion of saints?<<

Not the way Catholics believe it.

[ADSUM]

Your COMMENT: “are all of pagan origin,”

So what, that doesn’t make the Catholic Church pagan.

Your explanations lack logic and reason.

You haven’t shown any errors in Catholic teaching. Just your own specious opinion.

[CynicalBear]

>>Your COMMENT: “are all of pagan origin,”<<

That wasn't my comment. That was a quote from Cardinal Newman. Do you not actually read the posts?

[ADSUM]

>>Your COMMENT: “are all of pagan origin,”<<

That wasn’t my comment. That was a quote from Cardinal Newman. Do you not actually read the posts

Well it was your post.

Again so what? Perhaps you don’t seem to understand a logical reply?

[CynicalBear]

>>Perhaps you don’t seem to understand a logical reply?<<

Perhaps you don't understand the scriptural implications.

[ADSUM]

Your comment:”Perhaps you don’t understand the scriptural implications.”

Perhaps your scriptural implications are specious.

[ADSUM]

Your comment: “We’ve shown many errors of Catholic teaching but those who have been indoctrinated by them don’t see it. Those that follow Islam don’t see the errors either. Neither do those that follow Mormonism. Catholics, Mormons, and Muslims all have their beliefs beyond what scripture teaches.”

By the same logic Protestants,FR posters and self appointed readers/interpreters of the Bible don’t see their errors either.

[Faith Presses On]

“Attending weekday Masses is akin to how Olympians win the gold medal. Not by racking up points, but by being as strong and as powerful as they can be. http://adorationrocks.com/letter.html";

I’ve been busy with some things and haven’t posted much on FR in awhile, so that’s why it’s taken me this long to reply. I don’t find it to be as you say. Any sincere meditating on the Lord is bound to produce some fruit, not only meditation during Catholic eucharistic adoration. The questions, then, are what sort of fruit, and how much of it? Here are some things to consider.

Paul wrote about speaking in tongues that there was to be a limit of two or three doing so in church, with an interpreter, because if there was no understanding of what was said, it would not be edifying to the church. Paul said that, rather, teaching was edifying. And Peter wrote that Christians were to crave pure spiritual milk, which was and is God’s Word. His will for us as Christians is to grow spiritually by growing in knowledge and understanding of His Word.

The Bible is a book of revelation. We learn about man’s relationship to God, and how He has revealed Himself to individual people and nations at different times and places. The Bible is a record of these encounters of God, a record He Himself directed so that those who learn from it have revealed to them much about God, too.

But if we don’t learn from it, then we miss how, for example, God kept directing Gideon to downsize his army (by whether or not the men lapped water like a dog) until it was just hundreds going against many thousand, so that He would get the glory for the victory, and not man, and how when the prophet Elijah fled from Jezebel after he killed her prophets of Baal, and was downcast because he seemed to be fighting for the Lord alone, the Lord Himself passed by him, and there was a great wind, but the Lord wasn’t in it, and then an earthquake, but the Lord wasn’t in it, and then a fire, but the Lord wasn’t in it, and finally a still, small voice, and that was the Lord. Can these sorts of things be learned in Eucharistic adoration? No, no matter how much time a person spends in it, they can’t, but only through God’s own record of Himself. Jesus told the parable of the sower, and what does he sow? - the Word. The Bible itself says that God’s Word is living, and it is active. It is life-giving, because it brings real knowledge of God, and that knowledge changes people spiritually, and eternal life is through the Spirit.

One other thing to consider, too, is the claim I’ve heard some Catholics make that the Eucharist is the greatest miracle done by God. It doesn’t surprise me that Catholics would make that claim, but according to Bible-believing Christianity, the greatest miracle of all done by God is to turn the heart of a sinner back to Himself. And that, not the Catholic belief of the Eucharistic miracle, corresponds to God’s ultimate work in this world, the message of the Gospel, the very reason why Jesus was “the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world,” not so that the Lord could change bread into Jesus’ flesh, but the saving of souls, who are reconciled to Him.

While the Catholic beliefs on the Eucharist grow out of Christianity, they distort things, making the Eucharist too important and other important things not important enough. In Ephesians 6, Paul talks about putting on the whole armor of God, and the Lord’s Supper isn’t mentioned there, but the basic things that are our armor whether in church or in the rest of our lives.