Posted on 03/24/2015 4:54:05 PM PDT by ebb tide
In an eight page document in preparation for the Synod on the Family the diocese of Essen, Germany, has asked the Vatican to elaborate a “Rite for the blessing of same-sex-couples”, to de facto abolish the indissolubility of marriage, to accept adultery and to allow artificial birth control. According to the document, blessing of practiced homosexuality would be a – quote – “sign of justice” and “non-discrimination”.
One general and basic condition is this: speaking honestly. Let no one say: “I cannot say this, they will think this or this of me…”. It is necessary to say with parrhesia all that one feels. After the last Consistory (February 2014), in which the family was discussed, a Cardinal wrote to me, saying: what a shame that several Cardinals did not have the courage to say certain things out of respect for the Pope, perhaps believing that the Pope might think something else. This is not good, this is not synodality, because it is necessary to say all that, in the Lord, one feels the need to say: without polite deference, without hesitation. And, at the same time, one must listen with humility and welcome, with an open heart, what your brothers say. Synodality is exercised with these two approaches.
Do you ever get the feeling that the FRoman Catholic contingent attacks Protestants to make themselves feel better about their particular faith group spiraling further and further into apostasy?
There is a way that seems right to a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. Proverbs 16:25.
What kind of Orwellian mental gymnastics do you have to do to convert the 5x daily attacks by Protestants against Catholicism into “the FRoman Catholic contingent attack[ing] Protestants”?
Meanwhile, Calvinist Holland enacted “same sex marriage” into law in 2001. Calvinist Scotland enacted it in 2014. What’s that you were saying about apostasy?
Not only are the bishops of Central Europe, with the Poles in the lead, pledge to stopping the Kasper-Marx-Forte coup, but he bishops of Africa are ready to stomp it flat. Cardinal Sarah of Guinea, who happens to be Prefect of the Congregation for the Discipline of the Sacraments, stated, “I solemnly affirm that the church of Africa will firmly oppose any rebellion against the teaching of Jesus and of the magisterium.”
Three fourths of the voting members at the agenda-setting pre-Synod objected to the relatio as departing from what thy had actually discussed and voted upon.
And now those proud,rich, apostate Cardinals Marx and Kasper are seeing even their own German consensus falling apart.
German prelate breaks rank with Cardinal Marx, insists on fidelity to Rome (Catholic Caucus)(LINK)
Keep praying, keep hoping. And keep watching. This is going to be instructive.
They have a "fluid" doctrine that can change with the prophet.. so it is "all good" for them
This is not true. Nobody --- no "prophet," no Pope, no Synod or Council ---- has the authority to deny or abolish doctrines which have come down to us from the Apostles. And Public Revelation ceased with the death of John.
Here's a succinct expression of what we believe:
I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.
I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit
was incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son
is adored and glorified, who has spoken through the prophets.
I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.
I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come. Amen.
This is our Credo. If you want to dispute "what Catholics believe" this would have to be your principal reference.
Neither are Calvinist.
We left there a long time ago.
No apostasy. Before the curse of the reformation we had ONE Church charged with teaching ONE truth and with infallibility authority to put together as the authentic Word of God in the New Testament. The books in the bible did not fall from the skies and self-assemble themselves. That infallible authority was exercised by the early Church fathers, some of whom were contemporaries of St. John the Evangelists who wrote John 21:25.
The infallibility of the Catholic Church then in AD 382 when the canonical texts were confirmed by the Synod of Rome, did not evaporate eleven centuries later with the curse of the Reformation. These kind of “attacks” on the Church have gone on before, so keep at it folks, since the gates of Hell shall never prevail against it.
In the meantime learned Lutheran theologians keep converting to Catholicism in droves.
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Just because someone proposes something doesn’t mean it is a rule in the Catholic Church. Are you aware that changes go through the pope?
I think this is the part they disagree with the most:
I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.
The Prots can't even agree among themselves who has the right "church"; that's why they have so many of them.
Was it the Catholic, the Eastern Orthodox, the Non-Chalcedonian, or the Non-Ephesian (Nestorian)?
Rot comes from the ground up.
That seems to be your issue, not ours.
We have Jesus as our head.
You have a Socialist from Argentina.
I guess they didn't bury Luther deep enough, did they?
Your idioms are meaningless to me.
I have no issue with individual Protestant “churches”, I consider all of them to be heretical sects.
Interesting. Among the Greeks (or maybe us Greeks, my Greek mother-in-law has undergone an upsurge in piety in her old age and has declared me to be Greek since I’m Orthodox) the saying is “The fish rots from the head.” A metaphor for the opposite view of the source of institutional corruption to what yours suggests.
The Catholic Church. The others were breakaways.
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