Praying of the Rosary Is NOT Bible-Based Teaching

The Disciplers ^ | 2011 | Ptr. Vince

[RnMomof7]

Praying The Rosary Is Not Biblical, And Is A Form Of Idolatry

Just last Sunday, a local newspaper paper released an article teaching that the praying of the Holy Rosary is Bible-based. In the first two paragraphs, the writer admittedly says that there is no passage in the Bible teaching nor mentioned about the praying of Rosary.

However, in the following paragraphs, the writer justified the praying of the Rosary basing it on the repetition of historical events of some Bible characters (like Gideon as he mentioned) about Israel’s history.

I don’t know if the writer of this article did some research about the origin of rosary and how it was deeply encouraged for Roman Catholics.

Praying of Rosary was encouraged when Lucia Dos Santos and her cousins Francisco and Jacinta Marto claimed to have an apparation from an angel teaching them to pray in the spring of 1916. They were asked to pray repeatedly by the angel who appeared to them. This is why the Catholics were convinced that they have to pray repeatedly.

The flaw however in the story was that, the angel gave two sets of completely different prayers. The angel appeared to the three children three times.

Then after a year, 1917, it was said that Our Lady of Rosary had an apparitions for 7 times. In her second apparition the Our Lady said:

“I wish you to come here the 13th of next month; that you say the Rosary every day, and that you learn to read. In succeding months I will tell you what else I want.” “I would like to ask you to bring us to Heaven“, said Lucy. “Yes, Giacinta and Francis will be among the few, but you must stay here for a long time. Jesus wants to help Himself of you to make Me known and loved. God wishes you to remain in the world for some time because He wants to use you to establish in the world a devotion to my Immaculate Heart. I promise salvation to those who embrace it, and their souls will be loved by God as flowers placed by myself to adorn His throne.” Lucy asked: “Will I stay here alone”?, “Don’t be discouraged , I will not abandon you ever. My Immaculate Heart will be your refuge and through it will conduct you to God.”

Now here are the flaws of this apparition. First, the Our Lady is telling the children to teach the people to make her known and be loved. Note that the apparition was initiated not by Jesus, nor an angel, but the very person who wants to be made known. It is like, someone came to you and asked you using the name of your friend to introduce her to other people that you know.

The second flaw, Our Lady promises salvation to those who embrace this command. A completely heretical claim, and totally in contrast to what the Bible is saying. The Bible is very clear in saying that “…whosoever believes in Him (Jesus) will not perish but have everlasting life (John 3:16).” Only God can give salvation. This is the Biblical truth that cannot be altered, deducted nor added.

Third flaw, Our Lady claims that her immaculate heart will be our refuge and through it will conduct you to God. This is another contradiction to what the Bible is saying. “Come to me all you labor and are heavily burdened and I will give you rest (Matt.11:28)”, “I am the way the truth and the life, NO ONE comes to the Father except through me (John 14:6)”.

The truth is, there is only one mediator between God and man, it is only Jesus Christ (Hebrews chapters 6,7,8,9, and 10)

This is the statement coming from the third apparition:

“In october I will tell you who I am, that which I want, and I will do a miracle that all can see and believe. Sacrifice yourselves for sinners, and say often this prayer, especially during any sacrifice: “O my Jesus, I offer this for love of Thee, for the conversion of poor sinners, and in reparation for all the sins commited against the Immaculate Heart of Mary.“

The flaw of the third apparition is the claiming of honor which belongs to Jesus Christ, and the idea of co-equality with Jesus. Though she did not claim co-equality, but the fact of showing that people committed sins against her proposes the idea of deity that people needs to be so sorry for not recognizing her. The Bible tells us that there are three persona where we committed sins, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. And now, here comes the Mary, an addition to the Holy Trinity.

“You have seen Hell, where the souls of poor sinners go. To save future souls God wishes to establish in the world the devotion to My Immaculate Heart. If people do what I tell you, many souls will be saved.” Then She said:” If my requests are granted, Russia will be converted and there will be peace. If not, she will scatter her errors throughout the world, provoking wars and persecution of the Church. The good will be martyed, the Holy Father will have much to suffer, and various nations will be destroyed…But in the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me, Russia will be converted, and a certain period of peace will be granted to the world“. “Do you want to learn a prayer?” the vision asked, “Yes we do!” the children responded. “When you recite the Rosary, say at the end of each decade: Oh My Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of hell, and lead all souls to Heaven, especially those in most need of Your Mercy.“

Now let’s look at this additional quotations from the third apparition. This is more like “Our Lady” centered command rather than “Jesus” centered command. Russia will be consecreted to Our Lady of Rosary than instead of Jesus. Notice the number of recitation of the Rosary. At the end of each decade (10), there is only one calling for Jesus help.

This is quoted from the last (6^th) apparition

“I am the Lady of the Rosary, I desire here a chapel in my honor to be built, that people continue to recite the Rosary every day. Will the war finish. The war is going to end, and the soldiers will soon return to their homes.” Then Lucy asked: “may I ask you for cures and conversions, will you grant them?”. “Some yes, others no. It is necessary that they ask pardon for their sins, that they don’t offend God our Lord, and that he is already too much offended.” “Do you Want anything else from me?” Lucy asked. “I do not want anything more.“

The flaw of the 6^th apparition is that the Lady of the Rosary is asking for a chapel in “HER” honor, and not Jesus’ nor the Father’s honor. We have to note that taking glory which supposed to be for God is a serious sin, this is idolatry.

The apparition is completely directing people in a wrong path. It is completely in contradiction with what the Bible is saying. The Bible warn us about these kinds of apparitions in Galatians 1:8 “But even though we (referring to Paul and his companions) or an angel from heaven, which should preach to you any gospel other than that which we preached to you, let him be cursed.” This is a strong warning that we should be careful in believing apparitions especially if it gives another teachings that what the Bible already have taught us.

Just some additional observations concerning the apparition of Our Lady of Rosary. Our Lady appeared “6” times. In Hebrew culture (the Israelite culture), 6 is the imperfect number. A number usually associated with evil things. Thus, the number of the Beast in the Book of Revelations tells us that it is 666.

Another observation is the dates of the apparition. The apparition dates are significantly on the 13^th of every month of that year. Even until, Roman Catholics believe that 13^th is always associated with evil things like Friday the 13^{t h} bad luck and not placing 13^th floor on buildings. Not to mention all the horror movies that happens on Friday the 13^th.

Now let me ask you, do you really believe that these apparitions comes from God? These apparition and commands are completely in contrast to what the Bible teaches us. They are “Our Lady of Rosary” centered rather than “God” centered. The apparitions promotes glory and honor for “Our Lady of Rosary” rather than the glory of God. And finally, even culture related things are in contradiction to the apparitions. Not to mention its lack of Apostolicity and Biblical support.

The praying of Rosary is another heretical belief of the Roman Catholic church to which Catholics are willing fight for.

[Elsie]

Is this rhetorical or would you like an answer?

An answer would suffice.

[Syncro]

By the way Jesus and Satan are created and are brothers in Mormon belief.

You don't say. Well, did you know that we are brothers and sisters of Jesus too as well as Lucifer?

First of all, in Christianity, satan is a created entity, Jesus has been around since the beginning. Jesus, God the Father and the Holy Spirit have always "been". Forever.

A Mormon can't speak for Christians, that "we" has to mean you and others that follow the LDS belief system.

Christians can't be a brother with a created entity like satan.

Mankind is a completely different type of life form than satan.

God created all the angels at a time in the past, and satan, lucifer, was the mightiest of them all. He (satan/Lucifer) wanted to elevate himself to a position higher than God, so he got slapped down.

Angels are not "related" to humans, so there can be no brothers of satan/lucifer that are human.

Now if you want to believe you are the brother of satan/lucifer, fine with me.

And whatever "jesus" you have can be a brother of satan and you also, fine with me.

But Christians (and of course Jesus, the Jesus of the Bible) are not brothers of satan/Lucifer.

By the way Jesus and Satan are created and are brothers in Mormon belief.

You don't say. Well, did you know that we are brothers and sisters of Jesus too as well as Lucifer?

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[daniel1212]

I suppose a Catholic version could read “we had mothers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Mother of spirits, and live?

Blasphemous, but so are many extremes of Marian devotion.

[FormerLib]

Please leave the Orthodox Christian topic off of such rants. Thank you.

[rwa265]

Because the Holy Spirit did not lead the writers of the Scripture to say what you extrapolate from Scripture, as you have been informed repeatedly by me and other FReepers as well.

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Saying over and over that the Holy Spirit did not lead the writers of the Scripture to say what I have referenced from Scripture does not make it so. The referenced Scriptures record that Mary conceived, brought forth, and is the mother of:

that which is of the Holy Ghost
the one who shall save his people from their sins
Emmanuel, God with us
a son who shall be great
who shall be called the Son of the Highest
the one whom the Lord God shall give the throne of his father David
the one who shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever
the one whose kingdom there shall be no end
that holy thing
the one who shall be called the Son of God
the mother of my Lord
a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord
the Lord’s Christ
the Lord’s salvation
the King of the Jews
The Lord’s son out of Egypt

These words are not an extrapolation; they are what the Holy Spirit led the writers of the Scripture to write, taken directly from Scriptures. And unless you can give me a specific explanation as to why it is not so, together these words teach that Mary is the mother of God.

Paul writes in Philippians 2: Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

If God would allow himself as Jesus Christ to be made in the likeness of men, why would he not also, like any other man, be the son of a woman?

[DungeonMaster]

You don't say. Well, did you know that we are brothers and sisters of Jesus too as well as Lucifer?

You confessed to believing that Jesus is a created being. Who cares about lesser heresies?

[DungeonMaster]

Well said Syncro!

[DungeonMaster]

I suppose a Catholic version could read “we had mothers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Mother of spirits, and live?

That sounds very Mormon! It certainly is the way they seem to think. Most of the Catholics I know in real live vs online don't really know much about what the Church says of Mary. They really don't know much about the bible. The one I just spoke with a couple of weeks ago got really agitated at the very mention of the bible. He started saying that he doesn't "judge other's beliefs" and that he tries to follow the ten commandments. That's a very common position for them to take.

Blasphemous, but so are many extremes of Marian devotion.

I believe they have given her a thousand names and titles. If you do any study of wicca you sense the same spirit.

[daniel1212]

He started saying that he doesn't "judge other's beliefs" and that he tries to follow the ten commandments.

And which trad. RCs with excuse as being "poorly catechized," rather than admit the fact that what Rome effectually conveys is the belief that one can believe all sorts of things and still be a RC, especially since impenitent proabortion, prosodomite, promuslim pols are treated as members in life and in death. As long as one died a RC then they will be saved thru the intercession of elitist Rome is what multitudes are led to believe. To their tragic eternal horror.

Yet they criticize us who seek their salvation by faith in the Lord to save them as contrite damned + destitute sinners by His sinless shed blood, on account of His expense and righteousness, not theirs or that of their church or saints. Thanks be to God.

[af_vet_1981]

In the same way, af_vet is not asking a trick question. He is simply asking if you agree with what scripture says in Matthew 1:18-23. These verses support the doctrine that Mary is the mother of God because “she shall bring forth a son” “that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”

Amen. We do not look for another young woman who is a virgin to conceive and call her son Immanuel. Miriam/Mary is the mother of Immanuel. Thus Miriam/Mary is the mother of "God with us" and it is thus according to the scriptures.

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Isaiah, Catholic chapter seven, Protestant verse fourteen,
Matthew, Catholic chapter one, Protestant verses twenty two to twenty three,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

[daniel1212]

Amazing graphic, and indeed J. Smith=prophet=Scripture is from a shifty and specious faith. Good that you expose it.

[daniel1212]

But then, the door-knockers in these parts are usually from that cult that follows the teachings of Arius (you know - the bunch that has a little g god, a torture stake, and a vaporous resurrection)

As if their org does not have a credibility problem , while the unscriptural sola ecclesia premise of ensured magisterial veracity that such cults essentially operate out of is what Rome owns as well.

[rwa265]

Thank you.

What really bothers me is that no attempt is made to address our concerns. We are insulted, told that we are dancing the same dance, moving the goalposts, extrapolating, blaspheming, not answering their questions, etc. It’s as if they have been taught that when they cannot refute a statement, that the best response is to do anything rather than give a direct response to the specific statement.

[StormPrepper]

Jesus has been around since the beginning. Jesus, God the Father and the Holy Spirit have always "been". Forever.

There was no beginning.

The mixture of Greek culture into Christianity in the first century turned Christianity into a pagan acceptable religion. Appealing to Greek audiences.

This is where you get the concept of "Personal Savior" but still maintain the mythos of "uncreated", "unseeable", "unknowable", "everywhere and no where", "unreachable", etc...

And the notion that angels are like winged fairies floating around heaven.

Jude spoke of the first estate. The first estate is following Heavenly Fathers plan to be born on this earth. A full third of all that were in heaven refused and were cast out. They didn't keep their first estate. (Jude 1:6)

Those that did keep their first estate are born into mortality to be tested, tried, and so they can learn to chose for themselves good from evil. That's us.

Keeping our second estate is achieving salvation from sin and returning to our Father in Heaven.

Jesus said that His Father is also our Father. That makes us brother and sisters with Christ. And unfortunately all those that didn't keep their first estate and were cast out.

When Jesus came across the man that was possessed with a legion of evil spirits. Jesus knew who they were. He didn't hate them, He had pity on them and cast them into the swine. Because He knew they would never receive a body in this life. Jesus knows what awaits them after the judgement, there was no need to do anything further. (Matt 8:31-32)

Jesus taught that our Father in Heaven is both reachable and approachable. And is literally His and our "Father".

Of course we are different from the Angels...now. Our spirits have been combined with mortal bodies. The Angels are people that have either passed through this life or are waiting to come into mortality. They are where ever God wants them to be at this time until the judgement.

The belief that we have nothing in common with those that dwell with God is a tool of the devil. Meant to discourage us from achieving our full potential.

Plus...it just makes no sense.

[DungeonMaster]

Of course we are different from the Angels...now. Our spirits have been combined with mortal bodies. The Angels are people that have either passed through this life or are waiting to come into mortality. They are where ever God wants them to be at this time until the judgement.

The belief that we have nothing in common with those that dwell with God is a tool of the devil. Meant to discourage us from achieving our full potential.

So angels become people and people become angels. OK there's another doctrinal error but it still isn't as bad as the idea that God used to be a mortal man who was promoted into being eternal. That really doesn't even make sense. Part of that belief is that God has a Father and Mother, A Spirit Mother, who created His spirit. You demote God to being one of many Gods like pagan beliefs and populate the universe with all of these lesser Gods. That's the key heresy, all others are lesser IMHO.

[Colofornian]

There was no beginning. The mixture of Greek culture into Christianity in the first century turned Christianity into a pagan acceptable religion. Appealing to Greek audiences. This is where you get the concept of "Personal Savior" but still maintain the mythos of "uncreated", "unseeable", "unknowable", "everywhere and no where", "unreachable", etc...And the notion that angels are like winged fairies floating around heaven.

Based upon StormPrepper & his Mormnism's "scripture" Doctrine & Covenants 93:29,33...it says spirits and intelligences are as eternal as God is:
29 Man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be. 33 For man is spirit. The elements are eternal... (LDS "scripture" Doctrine & Covenants 93:29,33)

So while StormPrepper accuses early Christianity of having embraced "Greek culture" and that "there was no beginning" ... even his "scripture" references some "beginning."

Beyond that...

Per the Mormon narrative, we all supposedly started off as "goo" somewhere...a "spirit" (D&C 93:29,33)...You are just as "eternal" (as in eternal past) as God & Jesus...you haven't "lived" any less than them (past-wise)

THEN (Chapter II) you were spirit-born to a man who became God & one of his goddess wives...near "Kolob"...wherever that is...
Oh, and Lucifer -- Satan -- was your "elder spirit bro"
THEN (Chapter III) you were sent here...essentially "alien" status...to inhabit a body...

THEN (Chapter IV) either...
...(a) you become a temple Mormon so you can eternally progress to become a future god (run your world; create your own spirit kids; receive worship & prayer & glory from them as a "god")...
...or (b) be a nontemple Mormon or a "good" Christian & go to the "middle" celestial glory where you can't live with Heavenly Father forever (not sure how that could EVER be defined as "heaven" by Mormons)...
...or (c) be Necro-baptized by proxy in a spirit world where you & everybody goes (even the best Mormons go there, too, for a while)

And if the above wasn't enough, if you look under the "Spirit" entry in LDS church-published Bible Dictionary, 1979 (p. 776) -- in back of Holy Bible, you'll find this worse than winged fairies entry:

"That is, ALL forms of living things--man, beast and vegetation--existed as individual spirits, before any form of life existed upon the earth. The spirit is in the likeness of the physical body, as demonstrated in Gen. 2:5; 1 Ne. 11:11; Ether 3:15-16; D&C 77:2; 129; Moses 3:4-7. Furthermore, all spirit is matter, but is more refined and pure than mortal element (D&C 131:7)."

So. If you take the infinite regression teaching of the Mormon church -- infinitely regressing, we ALL have supposedly "existed" in some form -- [again, see @ Doctrine & Covenant 93:29,33 above...this teaches WE are as eternal (past) as God/Jesus, etc. -- & that spirits & intelligences & elements ALWAYS existed!!!
...and couple it with this above eternal regression teaching...that vegetation & beasts were co-existent alongside us as fellow "spirits" once upon a time...and that we all have ALWAYS existed... Sometimes esoteric macabre teachings that you think are so FAR out there...are actually mainstream Mormonism!

[Colofornian]

You don't say. Well, did you know that we are brothers and sisters of Jesus too as well as Lucifer?

DungeonMaster, ALL: The WORST part of this is actually how Mormonism reduces Jesus.

Lds reference Jesus a fair amount as "elder brother." Yet in their mind, Satan is "Elder Brother," too!

[DungeonMaster]

The WORST part of this is actually how Mormonism reduces Jesus.

Yes they reduce God in so many ways. At the same time they elevate man. "The Cult Explosion" by Dave Hunt groups them with new age and Hinduism and a dozen other cults who all elevate man to godhood.

[Resettozero]

Yes they reduce God in so many ways. At the same time they elevate man. "The Cult Explosion" by Dave Hunt groups them with new age and Hinduism and a dozen other cults who all elevate man to godhood.

Each cult builds fantasy worlds that attract weak-minded sin-loving lost souls, many of whom have heard and yet rejected the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Not all have heard the Gospel yet and that's simultaneously amazing and disappointing.