laimed to have an apparation from an angel teaching them to pray in the spring of 1916. They were asked to pray repeatedly by the angel who appeared to them. This is why the Catholics were convinced that they have to pray repeatedly.Posted on 03/24/2015 8:06:07 AM PDT by RnMomof7
Just last Sunday, a local newspaper paper released an article teaching that the praying of the Holy Rosary is Bible-based. In the first two paragraphs, the writer admittedly says that there is no passage in the Bible teaching nor mentioned about the praying of Rosary.
However, in the following paragraphs, the writer justified the praying of the Rosary basing it on the repetition of historical events of some Bible characters (like Gideon as he mentioned) about Israel’s history.
I don’t know if the writer of this article did some research about the origin of rosary and how it was deeply encouraged for Roman Catholics.
Praying of Rosary was encouraged when Lucia Dos Santos and her cousins Francisco and Jacinta Marto claimed to have an apparation from an angel teaching them to pray in the spring of 1916. They were asked to pray repeatedly by the angel who appeared to them. This is why the Catholics were convinced that they have to pray repeatedly.
The flaw however in the story was that, the angel gave two sets of completely different prayers. The angel appeared to the three children three times.
Then after a year, 1917, it was said that Our Lady of Rosary had an apparitions for 7 times. In her second apparition the Our Lady said:
“I wish you to come here the 13th of next month; that you say the Rosary every day, and that you learn to read. In succeding months I will tell you what else I want.” “I would like to ask you to bring us to Heaven“, said Lucy. “Yes, Giacinta and Francis will be among the few, but you must stay here for a long time. Jesus wants to help Himself of you to make Me known and loved. God wishes you to remain in the world for some time because He wants to use you to establish in the world a devotion to my Immaculate Heart. I promise salvation to those who embrace it, and their souls will be loved by God as flowers placed by myself to adorn His throne.” Lucy asked: “Will I stay here alone”?, “Don’t be discouraged , I will not abandon you ever. My Immaculate Heart will be your refuge and through it will conduct you to God.”
Now here are the flaws of this apparition. First, the Our Lady is telling the children to teach the people to make her known and be loved. Note that the apparition was initiated not by Jesus, nor an angel, but the very person who wants to be made known. It is like, someone came to you and asked you using the name of your friend to introduce her to other people that you know.
The second flaw, Our Lady promises salvation to those who embrace this command. A completely heretical claim, and totally in contrast to what the Bible is saying. The Bible is very clear in saying that “…whosoever believes in Him (Jesus) will not perish but have everlasting life (John 3:16).” Only God can give salvation. This is the Biblical truth that cannot be altered, deducted nor added.
Third flaw, Our Lady claims that her immaculate heart will be our refuge and through it will conduct you to God. This is another contradiction to what the Bible is saying. “Come to me all you labor and are heavily burdened and I will give you rest (Matt.11:28)”, “I am the way the truth and the life, NO ONE comes to the Father except through me (John 14:6)”.
The truth is, there is only one mediator between God and man, it is only Jesus Christ (Hebrews chapters 6,7,8,9, and 10)
This is the statement coming from the third apparition:
“In october I will tell you who I am, that which I want, and I will do a miracle that all can see and believe. Sacrifice yourselves for sinners, and say often this prayer, especially during any sacrifice: “O my Jesus, I offer this for love of Thee, for the conversion of poor sinners, and in reparation for all the sins commited against the Immaculate Heart of Mary.“
The flaw of the third apparition is the claiming of honor which belongs to Jesus Christ, and the idea of co-equality with Jesus. Though she did not claim co-equality, but the fact of showing that people committed sins against her proposes the idea of deity that people needs to be so sorry for not recognizing her. The Bible tells us that there are three persona where we committed sins, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. And now, here comes the Mary, an addition to the Holy Trinity.
“You have seen Hell, where the souls of poor sinners go. To save future souls God wishes to establish in the world the devotion to My Immaculate Heart. If people do what I tell you, many souls will be saved.” Then She said:” If my requests are granted, Russia will be converted and there will be peace. If not, she will scatter her errors throughout the world, provoking wars and persecution of the Church. The good will be martyed, the Holy Father will have much to suffer, and various nations will be destroyed…But in the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me, Russia will be converted, and a certain period of peace will be granted to the world“. “Do you want to learn a prayer?” the vision asked, “Yes we do!” the children responded. “When you recite the Rosary, say at the end of each decade: Oh My Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of hell, and lead all souls to Heaven, especially those in most need of Your Mercy.“
Now let’s look at this additional quotations from the third apparition. This is more like “Our Lady” centered command rather than “Jesus” centered command. Russia will be consecreted to Our Lady of Rosary than instead of Jesus. Notice the number of recitation of the Rosary. At the end of each decade (10), there is only one calling for Jesus help.
This is quoted from the last (6th) apparition
“I am the Lady of the Rosary, I desire here a chapel in my honor to be built, that people continue to recite the Rosary every day. Will the war finish. The war is going to end, and the soldiers will soon return to their homes.” Then Lucy asked: “may I ask you for cures and conversions, will you grant them?”. “Some yes, others no. It is necessary that they ask pardon for their sins, that they don’t offend God our Lord, and that he is already too much offended.” “Do you Want anything else from me?” Lucy asked. “I do not want anything more.“
The flaw of the 6th apparition is that the Lady of the Rosary is asking for a chapel in “HER” honor, and not Jesus’ nor the Father’s honor. We have to note that taking glory which supposed to be for God is a serious sin, this is idolatry.
The apparition is completely directing people in a wrong path. It is completely in contradiction with what the Bible is saying. The Bible warn us about these kinds of apparitions in Galatians 1:8 “But even though we (referring to Paul and his companions) or an angel from heaven, which should preach to you any gospel other than that which we preached to you, let him be cursed.” This is a strong warning that we should be careful in believing apparitions especially if it gives another teachings that what the Bible already have taught us.
Just some additional observations concerning the apparition of Our Lady of Rosary. Our Lady appeared “6” times. In Hebrew culture (the Israelite culture), 6 is the imperfect number. A number usually associated with evil things. Thus, the number of the Beast in the Book of Revelations tells us that it is 666.
Another observation is the dates of the apparition. The apparition dates are significantly on the 13th of every month of that year. Even until, Roman Catholics believe that 13th is always associated with evil things like Friday the 13t h bad luck and not placing 13th floor on buildings. Not to mention all the horror movies that happens on Friday the 13th.
Now let me ask you, do you really believe that these apparitions comes from God? These apparition and commands are completely in contrast to what the Bible teaches us. They are “Our Lady of Rosary” centered rather than “God” centered. The apparitions promotes glory and honor for “Our Lady of Rosary” rather than the glory of God. And finally, even culture related things are in contradiction to the apparitions. Not to mention its lack of Apostolicity and Biblical support.
There was a personal element in the post and instead of warning you again it was decided to remove the post.
It was restored.
Posting in the Religion Forum is tricky for those that aren’t used to being here.
yawn.
Hang on a minute, “NO personal attacks”... “I think you’re out of your mind” is a personal attack, at least I’d certainly intend it that way.
Why does the RF have the most arcane subset of rules?
We'll have to agree to disagree on this one then; however, there is one argument that is difficult to deny: Christ taught the disciples to pray to "Our Father...." Not Abraham, not Moses, not Solomon or David. God the Father. And we pray to Him in the name of Christ --
And yet now, he IS our mediator. One mediator. THE mediator. And the CCC teaches that Mary is mediatrix. That implies that she in some way shares in the ability to provide salvation and grace -- which she cannot and does not -- and, logically, for Catholics to obtain this (false) grace and mediation, what must they do?
Pray to her.
So, in my mind, the "one mediator" argument succinctly puts the whole Mariolatry heresy in the proper perspective of the false gospel it is.
Hoss
Agreed. This is not about “need”.
These kind of attack postings should be removed or blocked...
One religion going after another belongs somewhere else, not in Freerepublic.com
What did the Holy Spirit inspire the writers of scripture to call her? Mother of Jesus or mother of God?
The Holy Spirit inspired John to tell us that the Word that was God and the same Word that was made flesh was Jesus, the only begotten Son of the Father. The Holy Spirit inspired Luke to tell us that this same Jesus that was to be called the Son of God was born of Mary. Would this not make Mary, as the mother of Jesus, also the mother of the Word made flesh, the only begotten Son of the Father, the Son of God, God Incarnate?
“So she is the mother of Jesus not the mother of God. Finishing with invectives is not a strong scriptural basis.”
In Catholic eyes, your statement is a logical contradiction.
(Ya know, logically this can be said about every person in Christ alive in heaven...Mary therefore has no special "inroad" to the Divine One...With this statement, you therefore imply that's it's laudable for people to pinpoint thousands -- even hundreds of thousands -- of people -- and begin praying to them as well as they also do "nothing on" their "own, but only in accord with the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit")
Not to mention my 2 1/2 years toward a Masters of Divinity. Not a moment of it wasted.
I didn’t ask for your logic. What did the Holy Spirit inspire the writers of scripture to call her? Mother of Jesus or mother of God?
Open calls for censorship is itself an attack upon religious freedom.
Sorry, Detch, it is, after a FREE Republic!
I believe the word you are looking for to describe such persons is “saints”. Even among them, some are more laudable than others in how closely they follow Christ. I would say Mary, knowing him more intimately than any other, would rank near the top.
As a general observation I find that some posters on the RF possibly think more highly of themselves than they ought. If any of them read this comment I'm sure they will feel it is a personal attack because the shoe fits too closely.
Somewhere up thread one such person seems to believe that they are the incarnation of the Holy Spirit who can determine the salvation of the person that they responded to. I find that presumptuous at best .
Several very vocal posters seem to think it is OK to set aside the role of civil discourse in interpersonal communications as long as they are 'contending for the faith'. I'm not so sure that such an approach was what enabled the early church to expand to the entire known world in one century. Beating someone over the head with a five pound sledge (or a 97 pound Scofield Reference Edition of the KJV) is not typically the way to encourage someone to entertain your position on any matter.
Some constant posters on this forum of FR are expert at baiting non-approved responses from others and once they get such, hit abuse on that poster to get them silenced. Since this handful of posters has well learned how to manipulate the rules on this forum they manage to remain untouched no matter the right/wrongness of their opinions and the stridency with which they espouse them.
Wading into almost any thread on this portion of FR is akin to teaching a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig. Very similar to trying to engage in a civil discourse with a lieberal.
The guilty parties abide in both camps of Christianity for you will find both Protestant and Catholic bashing threads on this forum. It seems to me that all parties could benefit from reading and applying the process outlined in the following link.
I will now fade back into the background.
Logic isn't the concern. What did the Holy Spirit inspire the writers to call Mary? Mother of God or mother of Jesus?
So doing a shotgun bashing by you of all/most/many posters of this thread, lambasting them as “bashers”, is sanctioned bashing? (But all other forms of critique are beyond your personal boundaries and are to be frowned upon?)
All I try to offer is the truth of God's word, his Gospel, and the facts of scripture.
If that's crackpot, then fine by me:
Romans 1:16
"For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek."
Hoss
Someone go nail this to the freeping door.
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