Evolution makes atheists out of people!

Creation Ministries International ^ | 2-17-2015 | Jonathan Sarfati

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Evolution makes atheists out of people!

By Jonathan Sarfati

Out on ministry at churches, our speakers often encounter anguished parents (and grandparents) lamenting that their children now reject the faith in which they were raised. If you too are a parent with this same angst, I remind you that Adam and Eve failed even with the best possible raising from God Himself, as well as enjoying perfect health and living in paradise. And Judas Iscariot remained unsaved despite three years with the best teacher ever: Jesus Himself.

Evolution undermines basic Christian doctrines

Having said that, there is a common pattern in many apostasies—exposure to evolution.1 This teaches that Scripture is not the final authority; rather, uniformitarian ‘science’ is. And if this same ‘science’ also teaches that virgins don’t conceive and dead men don’t rise, can you see where this would lead to unbelief? Evolution also teaches that death has been around for millions of years, which contradicts the biblical teaching that death is the result of sin. This undermines the Gospel, because if death has no connection with sin, then how could Christ’s death pay for our sin?

[Chainmail]

I don’t see how your comment has any relevance to mine. Illuminate, please.

[OneWingedShark]

I have no problem with evolution, we do not know the methodology God used to create the world.

Holding off on asserting it as true or false, the thing about evolution is that applying it to humans refutes the special creation of humankind.
IOW, even if God did use evolution for plants/animals, once you apply evolution to make the jump from non-human to human you assert that mankind is not made in God's image — and that leads to bad things.

[kosciusko51]

Your definition of evolution is not what is taught as evolution. Saying God directs changed is antithetical to the naturalistic assumptions that are imposed on evolutionary theory.

[central_va]

Holding off on asserting it as true or false, the thing about evolution is that applying it to humans refutes the special creation of humankind. IOW, even if God did use evolution for plants/animals, once you apply evolution to make the jump from non-human to human you assert that mankind is not made in God's image — and that leads to bad things.

Even the Darwinists claim that Homo Sapiens "suddenly appeared" 200,000 years ago. There is not much difference between suddenly appearing and being created.

[Agamemnon]

I have no problem with evolution, we do not know the methodology God used to create the world.

Yes we do know, if we are willing to accept it. The "methodology" is as simple as it is powerful: God spoke and it was so.

With His own hand he wrote in the 10 commandments that He made the universe and man in six days and rested the seventh. Will you question what God Himself wrote with His own hand -- in His own Law, no less?

If you say you believe that God wrote the 10 commandments with His own hand (Exodus 31:18) you must necessarily have a major problem with the premise of evolution.

The first thing God created was time ("In the beginning...) He defined a time interval for "day" on the 1st day, and created celestial clocks for the creation's benefit to allow us to measure that interval on the 4th day. Get it? The time interval was fixed, and God created the "clock" days later to allow us to measure time, and appreciate it.

So when God created the universe in 6 days that is exactly what He meant as He said it and wrote it. No time for evolutionary speculation. he created no time nor mechanism for that speculation to occur -- that is, if you believe what He wrote with His own hand.

It is up to you to choose to believe what He wrote.

It's no more difficult than that.

If God Himself has limited your freedom to define time and His chosen methodology of Creation as you might otherwise desire to define it - and He did this by virtue of the way He defined that time should be measured, who are you to say otherwise, "Smarty Pants"? :-)

FReegards!

[Paradox]

It caused my truck to break down, my wife to leave me, and my dog died too... dang...

[BlackAdderess]

No, it really doesn’t. First of all evolution is a moving target that locked in on modern man, second of all (from my personal point of view) I wonder how much of that Image has to do with the passage of time making it possible to be a child, adult, and spirit. God is all of these at once but He let us take baby steps.

[OneWingedShark]

>> ” the idea that Jesus was mistaken about creation”
>
> I was unaware Jesus had anything to say about creation at all.

He has everything to say about it:

(John 1:1-3, 16)
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him.

[longtermmemmory]

these threads seem to appear most when Huckabee needs useful idiots to vote for him. Push this non-debate to create people dumb enough to vote for him.

[BlackAdderess]

God has a very big hand my friend.

[OneWingedShark]

The first thing God created was time ("In the beginning...) He defined a time interval for "day" on the 1st day, and created celestial clocks for the creation's benefit to allow us to measure that interval on the 4th day. Get it? The time interval was fixed, and God created the "clock" days later to allow us to measure time, and appreciate it.

And yet Joshua's Long Day was/is still called a day, though it had far more than 24 hours in it — proof that "day" is defined the sun's apparent/relative position in the sky. Now, acknowledging that, how long is a day when there is no sun and no Earth?

[MrB]

To the title - That’s the whole point!

[OneWingedShark]

Holding off on asserting it as true or false, the thing about evolution is that applying it to humans refutes the special creation of humankind.
IOW, even if God did use evolution for plants/animals, once you apply evolution to make the jump from non-human to human you assert that mankind is not made in God's image — and that leads to bad things.

No, it really doesn’t. First of all evolution is a moving target that locked in on modern man

What does that even mean?

second of all (from my personal point of view) I wonder how much of that Image has to do with the passage of time making it possible to be a child, adult, and spirit. God is all of these at once but He let us take baby steps.

Er, you do realize that ascribing to that view means that the successive steps means there's beings with less of an Image of God, and implies that there is/are people today with more (or less) of an Image of God than others. — It asserts the attribute Image of God is a non-quantum/non-boolean (possibly non-discrete) value.

[BlackAdderess]

You have your day to day mercy that God has on all of us in the physical laws we take for granted, then you have the intercessions of God which is an interruption of the regularly scheduled programming you pretty much have to see to believe :)

[sparklite2]

That’s John talking, not Jesus.

[MrB]

And that’s a denial of the divine inspiration of all scripture...

I suppose “All scripture is God-breathed” (2 Tim 6:20) is just Paul talking, not God’s Word.

[sparklite2]

Nonetheless, I can’t recall Jesus being quoted in the scriptures with regard to creation.

[OneWingedShark]

That’s John talking, not Jesus.

You're ignoring the content, the theological content.
If Jesus is the Word made flesh, the very Word which spoke into existence Creation, then obviously He has something to say about Creation: namely Creation's very existence.

[MrB]

Just one example of many, with a LOT of implications stemming from it and implied assumptions:

Mark 10:6
“But from the beginning of the creation, God ‘made them male and female.’”

[BlackAdderess]

When you think of yourself through life stages, do you think of infinite children (for example), or is it more like, “oh yeah, I went camping there as a kid?”