Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Bowing the Knee to Rome
The Berean Call ^ | February 1, 2015 | T.A. McMahon

Posted on 02/13/2015 10:04:31 AM PST by WXRGina

We live in strange times. When I became a born-again believer nearly four decades ago following thirty years as a Roman Catholic, not one non-Catholic Christian chided me for leaving the Church of Rome. In those days it was fairly obvious to evangelicals that the teachings and practices of Roman Catholicism were at odds with the teachings of the Bible. Yes, there were a few things, at least superficially, that Catholics and Bible-believing Christians held in common. The virgin birth of Christ, which involved the conception of Jesus by the Holy Spirit, is one example. Yet, regarding Christ’s miraculous birth, the Catholic Church added to the virgin Mary the dogmas of her Immaculate Conception, i.e., her having been conceived without sin, and her perpetual virginity. Although those extra-biblical teachings are serious errors, they do not directly contradict the gospel that is essential for salvation.

I would hope that everyone who is reading this article, (particularly if they profess to be Bible-believing Christians) has understood and received the true gospel, which requires the belief (and belief alone) that Jesus, through His sacrificial death and resurrection, paid the penalty for sin in full for every man, woman, and child. That is the gospel that the Bible teaches explicitly in more than one hundred verses and implies in hundreds more. However, that is not the gospel according to the Roman Catholic Church. In truth, the Catholic Church’s opposition to the biblical gospel in its teachings and practices has been made evident through its councils and murderous inquisitions down through history.

During the Reformation, many individuals (primarily former Catholics) worked to restore the biblical gospel. In truth, it had never ceased to be believed by a remnant outside the Catholic Church. Yet the Reformation helped to get the Scriptures back into the hands of multitudes of believers. In response, the Church of Rome made its official position on the gospel crystal clear in its counter-reformation Council of Trent (1545-1563). Here are just three of the so-called infallible Council’s more than one-hundred condemnations for those who believe what the Bible teaches about the gospel: “If anyone says that the sinner is justified by faith alone, meaning that nothing else is required to cooperate in order to obtain the grace of justification...let him be anathema” (6th Session, Canon 9). It is because the Catholic Church requires far more than faith for salvation that it must anathematize (condemn) those who reject its sacramental works.

“If anyone shall say that justifying faith is nothing else than confidence in the divine mercy which remits sins for Christ’s sake, or that it is this confidence alone by which we are justified: let him be anathema” (6th Session, Canon 12). Again we see that according to Rome, belief alone in Christ’s finished sacrifice on the cross is condemned.

“If anyone says that after the reception of the grace of justification the guilt is so remitted and the debt of eternal punishment so blotted out to every repentant sinner, that no debt of temporal punishment remains to be discharged either in this world or in purgatory before the gates of heaven can be opened, let him be anathema” (6th Session, Canon 30). Though many Catholics wrongly believe that their Church has moved beyond the declarations of its Councils such as Trent, they nevertheless cling steadfastly to the necessity of Purgatory in the hope of burning off their residue of sins, thus making them fit to enter Heaven. That is a rejection of the finished work of Christ and therefore a “gospel” that will save no one.

It is essential for everyone who claims to be a Christian and says that they love Roman Catholics—and who believe that most Catholics are saved simply because they “love Jesus”—to understand the official Catholic “gospel” (which every Catholic is obligated to believe) and to realize how diametrically opposed it is to the biblical gospel. To truly love Jesus means to love Him as the Scriptures declare: “And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life” (1 John:5:20). The Catholic “Jesus,” who did not pay the full penalty for sin and who remains on crucifixes above the altars in Catholic churches is said to be “immolated” during the Mass. Immolation means to be killed—and not simply as a symbolic gesture, according to the Catechism of the Catholic Church: “The sacrifice of the altar, then, is no mere empty commemoration of Calvary, but a true and proper act of sacrifice, whereby Christ the high priest by an unbloody immolation offers himself a most acceptable victim to the eternal Father, as he did on the cross. ‘It is one and the same victim; the same person now offers it by the ministry of his [Catholic] priests, who then offered himself on the cross. Only the manner of offering is different’” (pp. 445-46). This direct denial of the finished sacrifice of Christ takes place daily on millions of Catholic altars in clear-cut contradiction to Hebrews:10:10: “By [God’s will] we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.”

The truth is that if we honestly love Catholics and want them to receive the forgiveness of their sins and the gift of eternal life that Jesus has paid for and that He offers through a simple act of faith on their part, then any form of encouraging the false gospel of Rome (no matter how well-intentioned) by those who profess to know Christ is a betrayal of the truth and insures for Catholics eternal separation from God. Tragically, that leaven of compromise is what has been infiltrating the church for the last three decades.

Through its newsletter articles and resource materials over many years, TBC has addressed such lethal appeasement of Roman Catholic dogmas by highly visible leaders in their evangelism efforts—men such as Billy Graham, who used Catholic priests and nuns as counselors at his crusades; Bill Bright, who placed practicing Catholics in Campus Crusade leadership positions in Ireland; and Luis Palau, who collaborated with Catholics in South America. Under the leadership of Chuck Colson and Catholic priest Richard John Neuhaus, among others, influential evangelical and Catholic leaders signed the Evangelicals and Catholics Together document, thereby committing themselves to working together to convert the world to Christ. Promise Keepers, led by Roman Catholic Bill McCartney, strived to break down the historic wall of division between Catholics and non-Catholic Christians. Hank Hanegraaff’s Christian Research Journal ran a series on Roman Catholicism, declaring that the Church held a biblical view of justification by faith. It was written in part by apologist Norm Geisler and defended by Hanegraaff on his radio program, claiming that the gospel of Rome is fundamentally biblical. Tridentine Catholic movie writer and director Mel Gibson won the hearts of multitudes of evangelicals with his The Passion of the Christ, which was based on the sacred Catholic ritual of the Stations of the Cross, a rite that is dedicated to Mary as co-redemptrix with Jesus.

Dave Hunt, writing about the response to the death of Pope John Paul II, noted,

The praise heaped on the pope upon his death by evangelical leaders is incomprehensible! Incredibly, Billy Graham praised John Paul II for “his strong Catholic faith.” Increasing numbers of evangelicals are joining Colson, [J. I.] Packer, Billy Graham, and others in accepting as fellow Christians Roman Catholics who embrace this false gospel…. Pat Robertson said that “the most beloved religious leader of our age [has passed] from this world to his much-deserved eternal reward.”…Mark Oestreicher, president of Youth Specialties, called the pope’s death “a key point in history where we have the opportunity to embrace [Catholics as] fellow children of God.” That is like failing to set up flares and warning signs for motorists traveling along a highway where a bridge is out and waving them on to their death instead!

Like Billy Graham, Richard Land, president of the Southern Baptists’ Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, emphasized that any disagreements Protestants may have had “with John Paul II are [irrelevant] to the foundations of the faith.” Land praised the pope’s “staunch defense of traditional Christian faith....” Yet John Paul II, on more than one occasion, gathered together for prayer witch doctors, spiritists, animists, Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, and other leaders of world religions, declared that they were all “praying to the same God” and credited their prayers with generating “profound spiritual energies” that would create a “new climate for peace.”

The 4,000-member Evangelical Philosophical Society’s president Francis Beckwith resigned to return to his Catholic roots (with the official blessing of EPS’s leadership). Rick Warren brought his Purpose Driven church-growth program to the Catholic Church showing no apparent concern for that church’s false gospel.

But that was then; so what is the situation now? Anyone who is saddened over what has taken place in the recent past, e.g., the blatant disregard of the biblical gospel as the only hope for the salvation of mankind, should be deeply grieved at what’s taking place today. The Vatican appears to be turning up the heat in its efforts to romance “Protestants,” a misnomer for non-Catholic Christians. Vatican II’s declaration referring to baptized non-Catholic Christians as “separated brethren,” a change from their having been referred to historically as “heretics” as defined by the Council of Trent, has been surprisingly successful in endearing many evangelical leaders to Rome. There is a saying related to this approach that is borne out in the Church of Rome’s practice: “Rome, when in minority is as gentle as a lamb, when in equality is as clever as a fox, and when in the majority is as fierce as a tiger.” We seem to be in the “clever as a fox” stage here in the US, if what is taking place is any indication.

The “retired” Benedict XVI, the former prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (with its roots in the Roman Inquisition), surprised many by his extraordinary ecumenical efforts as pope. Doctrine became a nonissue, at least on the surface. His successor, Pope Francis, has not only followed the lead of popes John XXIII, John Paul II, and Benedict, but he has put ecumenism in warp speed. Early last year, Francis sent an iPhone video greeting to the audience at a Kenneth Copeland Conference via Anglican-Episcopal bishop Tony Palmer (now deceased), who was also a director of the Kenneth Copeland Ministries in South Africa. For those not aware, Copeland and his wife, Gloria, have led millions into their unbiblical prosperity-and-health doctrines, which feature a false gospel and “another” Jesus who paid for sins by being tortured by Satan in hell. The greeting led to an invitation from the pope to Copeland and some of his false teaching compatriots (James Robison, Geoff Tunnicliff, John and Carol Arnott) to meet with him at the Vatican. Influential Charismatic mystic and false prophet Kim Clement declared that God told him that He had chosen Pope Francis to bring Spirit-filled Protestants and Catholics together.

Rick Warren has hardly taken a back seat on the journey to Rome. In a series of interviews that he gave last year to EWTN, the Catholic network (which, by the way, he confessed was one of his favorite TV channels), Rick defended Catholicism and attempted to explain the misconceptions held by evangelicals. In keeping with his unbiblical Global P.E.A.C.E. Plan, which stresses the cooperation of the world’s religions, he spoke at the Vatican’s International Religious Colloquium on the Complementarity of Man and Woman. He later “called for adherents of various Christian denominations to unite with Roman Catholics and Pope Francis to work together on three shared goals, focusing on the sanctity of life, the sanctity of sex, and the sanctity of marriage” (http://www.aleteia.org/en/religion/article/megachurch-pastor-rick-warren-joins-pope-francis-in-support-of-common-mission).

Hopefully, every believer reading this is asking “What of the sanctity of the biblical gospel?” Without that, all other attempts at “sanctity” are a temporal delusion and an eternal tragedy! Yet fewer and fewer of those who profess to be Bible-believing Christians seem to be concerned about this and are comfortable with what has become Warren’s ecumenical mantra: “If you love Jesus,” he claims, “we’re on the same team.”

If you are puzzled or perhaps even dazed by what’s going on in Christendom, the Scriptures supply the answers: “For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables” (2 Timothy:4:3-4). Where sound doctrine has given way to experientialism, subjectivism, and emotionalism, as it has among the millions of followers of the false Signs and Wonders teachings, biblical discernment has been abandoned; being a Berean is impossible.

However, hyper-Charismatics and Pentecostals are not the only ones ripe for Rome’s seduction. Consider again conservative theologian Francis Beckwith, the former head of the Evangelical Philosophical Society who returned to his earlier Catholic faith (emphasis added). How could he have done this if he had truly understood and received the simple and foundationally sound doctrine of salvation? How could one rationally give up the unfathomable free gift that Christ provided and turn instead to a salvation by works—unless he had never received that gift? You could also ask how Beckwith could have been elected president of such a prestigious “Protestant” organization.

Beckwith, however, provides some insights that are reflective of the attitude and beliefs of most Christians today. When asked if he thought the historic hostility between Catholics and evangelicals is eroding, his response was: “Yes. I think it is largely the result of working together on cultural questions [Rick Warren’s approach], which has led to more careful and charitable reading of each other’s beliefs. So, for example, it is rare today to a find a serious Evangelical accusing the Catholic Church of believing in ‘works righteousness.’ Sure, the more flamboyant voices say such things, but most sophisticated Evangelicals do not take them seriously” (The Catholic World Report 11/5/2014). “Flamboyant voice” here refers to a vocal, narrow-minded fundamentalist, versus “sophisticated Evangelical,” which describes one who takes “more careful and charitable reading of each other’s beliefs.” Tragically, such a mindset is the growing trend among professing evangelicals.

I thank Jesus every day that the evangelicals who witnessed to me more than three decades ago loved me enough to reject such soul-damning “sophistication” and to minister to me in truth. For this I am eternally grateful, and I pray that my fellow believers will do the same for their Catholic acquaintances, friends, and loved ones.


TOPICS: Charismatic Christian; Current Events; Evangelical Christian; General Discusssion; Other Christian
KEYWORDS:
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-4041-6061-80 ... 261-271 next last

1 posted on 02/13/2015 10:04:31 AM PST by WXRGina
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: logitech

Berean Call ping


2 posted on 02/13/2015 10:04:49 AM PST by WXRGina (The Founding Fathers would be shooting by now.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: WXRGina

“And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.”

Revelation 18:4


3 posted on 02/13/2015 10:10:08 AM PST by javie
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: WXRGina

My wife was raised in a devout Irish Catholic family in Chicago. They went to mass daily, IIRC. She became protestant at around 30 years of age after her first husband died of leukemia. This was partly due to the way these protestants treated her compared to her catholic brethren.

That was also about the same time I became a Christian (formerly intellectual agnostic).

13 years later we met and were married. Her family almost didn’t show up because we were not catholics.

It’s been 18 years now. Her dad is in his mid-80’s and is very concerned about his salvation because, of all things, how he treated his parents as a teenager. My wife is doing all she can to counsel him on what the bible actually says, but he’s having a hard time trusting her authority compared to his church leaders.

Same thing happened with her late husband’s father in law. In his 90’s, a bit of a letch (came on to her and one of her sisters a couple of decades ago) but his is a strong Polish Catholic family. He also was concerned for his salvation because he’s never cracked a bible and doesn’t believe he could possibly comprehend what is in it. And what his church fathers say is so contradictory and laced with the Catholic message he’s in absolute terror about the afterlife.

Again, she’s trying...


4 posted on 02/13/2015 10:16:00 AM PST by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: WXRGina
I love the Berean call. Thanks for posting.
5 posted on 02/13/2015 10:20:34 AM PST by Idaho_Cowboy (Ride for the Brand. Joshua 24:15)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Idaho_Cowboy

Me, too. This is a solid piece, and it is compassionate.


6 posted on 02/13/2015 10:24:48 AM PST by WXRGina (The Founding Fathers would be shooting by now.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: WXRGina

Catholics genuflect to Christ.


7 posted on 02/13/2015 10:37:31 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: cuban leaf

Your father in law needs to sit down with a priest and talk.


8 posted on 02/13/2015 10:39:33 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: WXRGina

Thank you for posting this testimony, a very good one indeed. It’s not often nowadays to see the sharp contrast set forth between the gospel and the RCC system, what we see instead is compromisers - identified and exposed in your article.

But, then, with the coming of Jesus so near, and the “falling away” (apostasy) going on around us, 2 Thess. 2:3, preparing the world for the antichrist, we should not be surprised at the ecumenical compromisers. Thankfully, we are encouraged here on the RF, seeing many who still understand the true gospel, as you saw it when you were first converted from Romanism.


9 posted on 02/13/2015 10:44:16 AM PST by sasportas
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Salvation

Your father in law needs to sit down with a priest and talk.


You just hit the core of the problem - he did.


10 posted on 02/13/2015 10:46:14 AM PST by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: cuban leaf

If one is “a strong Catholic” one realizes the power of Confession and repentance for the remission of sins, and would not worry about salvation.


11 posted on 02/13/2015 10:50:11 AM PST by steve8714 (Uptown Funk; Bruno Mars channels James Brown. Wow.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: WXRGina

Haters gonna hate.


12 posted on 02/13/2015 10:51:00 AM PST by steve8714 (Uptown Funk; Bruno Mars channels James Brown. Wow.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: WXRGina
"became a born-again believer"

I guess this person is not one of The Elect. Obviously the essayist believes incorrectly (according to Reformed doctrine) that he needed to perform some act (becoming born-again) in order to receive the Lord's grace.

Sucks for him.

13 posted on 02/13/2015 10:51:12 AM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: WXRGina

Sorry, 1.New Testament appears not to be written down until 40 years after Jesus` Resurrection, by which time the Roman Church was firmly established in Rome under Peter with Paul.
2.Also, the Roman Catholic Church determined which books would be included in the New Testament. Thus you have PRECEDENCE and DEPENDENCE of the Catholic Church as pertains to the New Testament.
3. The Catholic catechism Didache is older than the New Testament. [40-60AD]
4. The Apostle`s Creed is older than the New Testament.-—
Matthew also issued written Gospel among the Hebrews in their own dialect, while Peter and Paul were preaching in Rome and laying the foundation of the Church. After their departure, Mark, the disciple and interpreter of Peter, did also hand down to us in writing what had been preached by Peter. Luke also, the companion of Paul, recorded in a book the Gospel preached by him. Afterwards John, the disciple of the Lord, who also had leaned upon his breast, did himself publish a Gospel during his residence at Ephesus in Asia. (Against Heresies 3:1:1)


Fifty years earlier Papias, bishop of Hieropolis in Asia Minor, wrote, “Matthew compiled the sayings [of the Lord] in the Aramaic language, and everyone translated them as well as he could” (Explanation of the Sayings of the Lord [cited by Eusebius in History of the Church 3:39]).{Matthew circa 70AD]
==
Eusebius himself declared that “Matthew had begun by preaching to the Hebrews, and when he made up his mind to go to others too, he committed his own Gospel to writing in his native tongue [Aramaic], so that for those with whom he was no longer present the gap left by his departure was filled by what he wrote” (History of the Church 3:24 [inter 300-325]).

Thus all who follow SOLELY the New Testament for their faith are totally dependent upon the Catholic Church for its choosing which books belong in its canon content, for the Church came before the New Testament was ever written
down, because it was transmitted Orally by the apostles.

viz
The Catholic Church officially decided at the Council of Trent in 1546;
although Martin Luther protested the inclusion of some books.
But the original 4 gospels were defined by Irenaeus, c. 160.
By the early 200’s, Origen may have been using the same 27
books as in the modern New Testament.
In his Easter letter of 367, Athanasius, Bishop of Alexandria, gave a list of exactly the same books as what would become the New Testament canon.

viz the Catholic Church established the first
canon of the Bible after a period of discussion between the
the 4th and 5th centuries. Scrutiny was employed so as to
make sure the books included were consistent with the Faith as
was handed down from the Apostles. The Church has never been
about pleasing the pagans; it has been about keeping the Faith
and testifying to the Truth, who is Jesus the Christ. The canon of
the Bible was reapproved in 1546 by the Council of Trent.


14 posted on 02/13/2015 10:52:37 AM PST by bunkerhill7 (re (`("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: cuban leaf; WXRGina

Here’s what’s indisputable:

It was not until the Synod of Rome (382) and the Councils of Hippo (393) and Carthage (397) that we find a definitive list of canonical books being drawn up, and each of these Councils acknowledged the very same list of books. From this point on, there is in practice no dispute about the canon of the Bible, the only exception being the so-called Protestant Reformers, who entered upon the scene in 1517, an unbelievable 11 centuries later.

Once again, there are two fundamental questions for which one cannot provide answers that are consonant with Sola Scriptura: A) Who or what served as the final Christian authority up to the time that the New Testament’s canon was identified? B) And if there was a final authority that the Protestant recognizes before the establishment of the canon, on what basis did that authority cease being final once the Bible’s canon was established?

An “Extra-Biblical” Authority Identified the Canon of the Bible.

Since the Bible did not come with an inspired table of contents, the doctrine of Sola Scriptura creates yet another dilemma: How can one know with certainty which books belong in the Bible – specifically, in the New Testament? The unadulterated fact is that one cannot know unless there is an authority outside the Bible which can tell him.

Moreover, this authority must, by necessity, be infallible, since the possibility of error in identifying the canon of the Bible would mean that all believers run the risk of having the wrong books in their Bibles, a situation which would vitiate Sola Scriptura. But if there is such an infallible authority, then the doctrine of Sola Scriptura crumbles.

Another historical fact very difficult to reconcile with the doctrine of Sola Scriptura is that it was none other than the Catholic Church which eventually identified and ratified the canon of the Bible. The three councils mentioned above were all councils of this Church. The Catholic Church gave its final, definitive, infallible definition of the Biblical canon a the Council of Trent in 1546 – naming the very same list of 73 books that had been included in the 4th century.

If the Catholic Church is able, then, to render an authoritative and infallible decision concerning such an important matter as which books belong in the Bible, then upon what basis would a person question its authority on other matters of faith and morals?

Protestants should at least concede a point which Martin Luther, their religion’s founder, also conceded, namely, that the Catholic Church safeguarded and identified the Bible: “We are obliged to yield many things to the Catholics – (for example), that they possess the Word of God, which we received from them; otherwise, we should have known nothing at all about it.”

The Catholic Church does not claim that by identifying the books of the Bible it rendered them canonical. God alone is the author of canonicity. The Catholic Church instead claims that it and it alone has the authority and responsibility of infallibly pointing out which books comprise the Biblical canon already authored by God.


15 posted on 02/13/2015 10:58:43 AM PST by Steelfish
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: steve8714
Haters gonna hate.

Who is showing hatred? If you're referring to this article, there is not a shred of "hatred" in it. It is a solid, Biblical-based piece. The truth of God's Word is not hatred. The Berean Call writers care deeply about catholics and simply want to see them come to a knowledge of the truth found only in God's Word. That' not "hate."

16 posted on 02/13/2015 10:59:33 AM PST by WXRGina (The Founding Fathers would be shooting by now.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Steelfish

The bible is good for learning, reproof, etc.

My relationship with my Lord and savior is not because of the bible, but it enhanced by it.

That being said, some people’s incorrect interpretations of the bible have gotten into my Christian sensibilities, but one by one they are being rooted out through prayer and study.

The two most blatant:
1. I used to be a strong pre-tribulationist until I was presented with alternative viewpoints and then studied it myself, prayerfully analyzing the veracity of the arguments made by the various sides.
2. Via the same method and similar events, I went from believing everlasting conscious torment for the lost to simple annihilation.

I’m sure more will come with time, as my own knowledge of His word increases to to where it is close to or equal to those who originally taught me.


17 posted on 02/13/2015 11:08:07 AM PST by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: bunkerhill7

Jesus born on December 25, killed on good Friday and raised easter Sunday are roman ‘truths’.

None of those are biblical, scriptural Truths..

Maybe Rome has created a different jesus to fit their Roman calendar..

After all Paul preached His ‘gospel’ from the ‘scriptures’ that He knew- Torah and the prophets..

Not Rome’s gospel based on the Roman catholic catechism and their pope Gregory calendar..

Maybe all of christendom kneels at Rome’s false teaching, and their false Jesus..
Created with Rome in mind, not Jerusalem..


18 posted on 02/13/2015 11:12:55 AM PST by delchiante
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: WXRGina

Deceivers gonna deceive. There, fixed it.

Read up on church history, you know, the Church before your baby church broke off. Read about the early church fathers, how they believed in the true presence of Christ in the Eucharist and DIED for that from right after Christ’s death until...this morning in Levant.

Why don’t you google what the haters of Christianity scoffed at Christians for believing for the first few hundred years....they scoff at exactly what you scoff at....the Eucharist being the unbloody sacrifice f Christ, the Successors of Peter....you know, the Virgin birth isn’t just the virgin giving birth, it’s her hymen never rupturing, like Jesus walked through the door to the upper room...there is SO MUCH you haven’t a clue about....deceive yourself some more, or show your faith in Jesus and look at history, look at Truth, Be Not Afraid, as the Angel said to Mary. Pray for me THEN, for those prayers will mean a lot more. We’ll both shudder.


19 posted on 02/13/2015 11:17:32 AM PST by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
Deceivers gonna deceive. There, fixed it.

Belief in the truth of God's Word--alone--is not deception. We will not agree on this.

20 posted on 02/13/2015 11:26:21 AM PST by WXRGina (The Founding Fathers would be shooting by now.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-4041-6061-80 ... 261-271 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson