Posted on 02/07/2015 9:54:25 AM PST by RnMomof7
I know what I Know! And if I were you, I wouldn’t dismiss me so quickly.
My, my. Such potty talk!
It’s LDS - Luther Derangement Syndrome.
It causes all kinds of symptoms, including but not limited to irrational behavior, fanciful claims, foaming at the mouth......
It is very easy to dismiss one who rants and when challenged offers zero proof. Fortunately, I'm not you so I again recommend that you restrict your postings to Caucus'ed threads. These open threads appear to be a challenge to your temper. This over the top howling does whatever side you are advocating no service. Or the Muslim god you serve.
Well, if you do know something, there's no evidence of it yet.
Back it up.
And you aren't being dismissed because of what you claim you know that you haven't shared yet, but because of the potty mouth.
Language like that destroys credibility faster than anything else I can think of.
Hey Mom, He Knows what he knows, He just ain’t telling us how or why, trust him, He seems Credible.
Only those who do not know scripture or who have an agenda would use that line. And only those who don't know scripture would fall for it.
Romans 4:4 Now to the one who works (ἐργαζομένῳ - ergazomenō), wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation. 5 However, to the one who does not work (ἐργαζομένῳ - ergazomenō) but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness.
Greek - ἐργαζομένῳ - ergazomenō - from ergon - I work, trade, perform, do, practice, commit, acquire by labor. [http://biblehub.com/greek/2038.htm]
Now, let's look at the verse trotted out by Catholics to make the claim "it's not faith alone".
James 2:14 What is the profit, my brethren, if faith, any one may speak of having, and works (ἔργον - ergon) he may not have? is that faith able to save him?
Romans 3:20 wherefore by works (ἔργον - ergon) of law shall no flesh be declared righteous before Him, for through law is a knowledge of sin.
Greek - ἔργον - ergon - I work, trade, perform, do, practice, commit, acquire by labor.
>>To try to apply what he is saying to a discussion of the relationship between faith and obedience to the moral law is to take Paul completely out of context.<<
So tell us then. Is James saying that faith without the law is nothing? Which law? Moral law or Mosaic law? Was Paul saying without the law of Moses or any law? Was James talking about Mosaic law moral law? In Romans 4 was Paul talking about a different kind of work in verse 4 then he was in verse 5? Perhaps you or some other Catholic could give us your interpretation on all of that? Surely you would all want to be consistent correct?
She was opposed to the premise in the Protestant belief that if you were not healed by Jesus from whatever ailment it was because of your unworthiness or some failure on your part that did not deserve healing.
What she announced to the Protestant was that there was in fact Redemption in their suffering.
They were joining their suffering with Christ.
So therefore, it didn’t much matter whether healed or dying they were with Christ and there suffering was joined to the sufferings of Christ Himself in the Agony, Death and Resurrection.
Please explain to us how "by itself" is different from "alone".
Rather, more precisely the issue was that of exclusion of justification by the merit of works, which extended to all systems, but which the Law represented "for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law." (Galatians 3:21)
In Titus 3:5, writing to a Greek, works in general are excluded as salvific in this sense, and Abraham had done works before Gn. 15:6, yet it is clearly stated, in denying that Abraham was justified by works, "Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness." (Romans 4:3)
What precisely justifies one is what Paul is dealing with, in which God justified the unGodly, by counting their faith as righteousness, for our sins were imputed to Christ.
Meanwhile James deals with what manner of faith is salvific, which is one the effects works, which justifies one as one that is a saved believer. Which Paul also teaches, "For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified." (Romans 2:13) Not that the works make them holy enough to be with God, but that those who believe with a faith which effects obedience shall be justified, as works justify one has having faith. (Heb. 6:9,10; Mt. 7:20; Ja,. 2:18) . And believers are justified by faith so "that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." (Romans 8:4)
The difference is btwn souls faith appropriating justification, with the heart believing unto righteousness, and thus confessing Christ confirmatory of salvation, so that the penitent publican could be justified and the contrite criminal could be with Christ at death, and that even death-bed conversions by paralyzed persons are possible;
versus being formally justified and made fit to being with God in Heaven due to their inherent holiness, and thus usually having to suffer postmortem torments in order to attain this moral perfection, and to atone for sins, as per RC teaching.
From the language you use and the lack of documentation I think we can dismiss you forthwith.
So it is yours and Mother Angelica's opinion that if you were not healed by Jesus from whatever ailment it was because of your unworthiness or some failure on your part that did not deserve healing. Is this correct? If so, it should be easy to show that all Protestants believe this. Here is a link to the Book of Concord. http://www.bookofconcord.org/ While Lutherans don't usually like to be referred to as Protestants, I waive my objections. Go to the link, find the reference to the above teaching and I will give you a symbolic bow. If you can't find it, then you must disavow your statement I know what I Know! And if I were you, I wouldn’t dismiss me so quickly.
What she announced to the Protestant was that there was in fact Redemption in their suffering.
Another reason to avoid Mother Angelica, there was only redemption in Christ's suffering and death and resurrection.
Please do.
You are Catholic right? Then the Muslim god you serve likes it as well.
Great Christ-like behavior you are modeling!
You do realize that according to Catholic teaching you worship the same god as the Muslims. Betcha didn’t know that; in all what you knew before.
"If in coming face to face with God we accept Him in our lives, then we are converting. We become a better Hindu, a better Muslim, a better Catholic, a better whatever we are. ... What God is in your mind you must accept" (from Mother Teresa: Her People and Her Work , by Desmond Doig, p. 156, as quoted by Dave Hunt, Global Peace and the Rise of Antichrist , p. 149).
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