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Mass as nourishment, not as obligation
OSV ^ | February 5, 2015 | Melinda Selmys

Posted on 02/05/2015 2:50:39 PM PST by NYer

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To: CynicalBear
Our personal "spiritual state" is irrelevant. Using scripture IS the words of the Holy Spirit. They are NOT our words.

These are not our words, but these uses are our uses. If these words are a great gift, then we should take care to avoid misusing them. The wording of "rightly dividing the word of truth" (2 Timothy 2:15) suggests that there is such a thing as doing so wrongly.

I am reminded of 2 Peter 3:15b-16: "...even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."

I am also reminded of John 5:39. Jesus said, "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me." He was speaking to people who possessed and had some understanding of the scriptures that were written at the time (cf. vv. 45-47), but they "[had] not [the Father's] word abiding in [them]" (vv. 37-38), had not "life" (v. 40), and had not "the love of God" in them (v. 41). Their uses of the scriptures would probably be deformed.

I actually first thought of Matthew 4:6, which contains what I could call the canonical example of the devil quoting Scripture.

If our "spiritual state" is corrupt, then even our uses of holy things will go awry.

"Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing." (John 15:4-5)

Let us use the scriptures in a true and holy manner.

"Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
"Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life." (John 6:67-68)

401 posted on 02/08/2015 4:54:43 PM PST by Lonely Bull ("And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient...")
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To: CynicalBear
That whole meme about Catholics just asking saints and Mary to pray for them doesn’t work to well here any more. We have seen the evidence and what has been seen can’t be unseen. To keep using it just makes you look silly.

Then fine, I'll "look silly!" : )

My Faith means more to me than others' opinions: especially those of faceless names on a screen. In the real world, however, you are people, human beings made in the Image and Likeness of God. Why would I exclude you all from my prayer intentions, simply because it's considered "silly"?

It's a small sacrifice to make, in return for all that God has done for me in my life through the prayers of others in the Communion of Saints!

It (the prayer of The Divine Praises) was composed in a slightly shorter form by Luigi Felici, a Jesuit priest, in 1797, as a prayer to make reparation for blasphemy and profane language. You can recite it privately (or in group settings other than during the Benediction) for this purpose as a great way to show God, the Holy Family, and the Angels and Saints thanksgiving and praise.

Blessed be God.
Blessed be His Holy Name.
Blessed be Jesus Christ, true God and true Man.
Blessed be the Name of Jesus.
Blessed be His Most Sacred Heart.
Blessed be His Most Precious Blood.
Blessed be Jesus in the Most Holy Sacrament of the Altar.
Blessed be the Holy Spirit, the Paraclete.
Blessed be the great Mother of God, Mary most Holy.
Blessed be her Holy and Immaculate Conception.
Blessed be her Glorious Assumption.
Blessed be the name of Mary, Virgin and Mother.
Blessed be St. Joseph, her most chaste spouse.
Blessed be God in His Angels and in His Saints.
May the heart of Jesus, in the Most Blessed Sacrament, be praised, adored, and loved with grateful affection, at every moment, in all the tabernacles of the world, even to the end of time. Amen.
Amen!

God bless you all!

In God's love,
the Silly, Happy Catholic! <|:o)

402 posted on 02/08/2015 5:48:39 PM PST by Grateful2God (Faith alone, not good works? And Mother Teresa wasted all that time with both...)
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To: Grateful2God
Incessantly employing them, however, would be extremely counter-productive to the purpose of intelligent discussion.

Yup; CB just pointed that out above, in #399

403 posted on 02/09/2015 2:49:57 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Grateful2God
the Silly, Happy Catholic! <|:o)


See you at Mass Sunday!!

404 posted on 02/09/2015 2:52:05 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Grateful2God
My Faith means more to me than others' opinions:

Even Famous Catholic Others??


Like the guys QUOTED in #309?

405 posted on 02/09/2015 2:54:03 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie; CynicalBear
43 - You have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thy enemy.
44 - But I say to you, Love your enemies: do good to them that hate you: and pray for them that persecute and calumniate you:
45 - That you may be the children of your Father who is in heaven, who maketh his sun to rise upon the good, and bad, and raineth upon the just and the unjust.
46 - For if you love them that love you, what reward shall you have? do not even the publicans this?
47 - And if you salute your brethren only, what do you more? do not also the heathens this?
- Matthew, 5

Now, if I'm silly, imagine the fellow who wrote this:

Prayer for One's Enemies

Here's a little something from a person who gave all he had for the sake of his Catholic Faith: including his life, after a year and a half in prison!

Almighty God, have mercy on (Name(s)) and on all that bear me evil will and would me harm, and on their faults and mine together, by such easy, tender, merciful means, as thine infinite wisdom best can devise; vouchsafe to amend and redress and make us saved souls in heaven together, where we may ever live and love together with thee and thy blessed saints, O glorious Trinity, for the bitter passion of our sweet Savior Christ. Amen!

St. Thomas More, (1477-1535)

From A Catholic Prayer Book

406 posted on 02/09/2015 5:25:48 AM PST by Grateful2God (Faith alone, not good works? And Mother Teresa wasted all that time with both...)
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To: Elsie
Those silly, silly Christians! <|:o)
What were they thinking, praying for Peter?

5 - Peter therefore was kept in prison. But prayer was made without ceasing by the church unto God for him.
6 - And when Herod would have brought him forth, the same night Peter was sleeping between two soldiers, bound with two chains: and the keepers before the door kept the prison.
7 - And behold an angel of the Lord stood by him: and a light shined in the room: and he striking Peter on the side, raised him up, saying: Arise quickly. And the chains fell off from his hands.

Acts, 12

407 posted on 02/09/2015 5:54:53 AM PST by Grateful2God (Faith alone, not good works? And Mother Teresa wasted all that time with both...)
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To: Elsie
"See you at Mass Sunday!!"

We fast for at least an hour in preparation prior to receiving Jesus in the Eucharist at Mass, so no food until afterward!

PS: We have Mass all but one day a year! Now that's something to smile about!
<|:o)

408 posted on 02/09/2015 6:15:06 AM PST by Grateful2God (Faith alone, not good works? And Mother Teresa wasted all that time with both...)
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To: Grateful2God
44 - But I say to you, Love your enemies: do good to them that hate you: and pray for them that persecute and calumniate you:

You feel PERSECUTED??

Oh, my!!!

409 posted on 02/09/2015 10:43:25 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

In a conversation regarding intercessory prayer, this Scripture was posted by yours truly:

43 - You have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thy enemy.
44 - But I say to you, Love your enemies: do good to them that hate you: and pray for them that persecute and calumniate you:
45 - That you may be the children of your Father who is in heaven, who maketh his sun to rise upon the good, and bad, and raineth upon the just and the unjust.
46 - For if you love them that love you, what reward shall you have? do not even the publicans this?
47 - And if you salute your brethren only, what do you more? do not also the heathens this?
- Matthew, 5

Silly Catholics like to keep things in context! We pray for everyone- not just fellow Catholics- everyone! Pray one for another! Those who read the entire post, get the entire point!


410 posted on 02/09/2015 3:20:58 PM PST by Grateful2God (Faith alone, not good works? And Mother Teresa wasted all that time with both...)
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To: Grateful2God
Silly Catholics like to keep things in context!

Some of your FR fellows don't.

411 posted on 02/10/2015 5:11:03 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie; Grateful2God

Some of your FR fellows don’t.

see...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3255771/posts?page=39#39


412 posted on 02/10/2015 5:14:51 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
To whom was my response to post 409 addressed?
Thus who should take responsibility for their own post, rather than pointing out others' posts (411, 412)?
My parents taught me that "but everybody else was doing it!" was not valid reasoning for doing something I shouldn't do.
Very wise... Not silly at all.
413 posted on 02/10/2015 10:55:27 AM PST by Grateful2God (Faith alone, not good works? And Mother Teresa wasted all that time with both...)
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To: Grateful2God

I just wanted you to see that your Catholic buddies are NOT as nice as you are.

And; I was hoping that you might call THEM out for the same things that you so readily call me out on.

If you don’t want to; that’s ok; for I can reply to them quite easily.

I’ll just have to assume that their behavior is tolerable to you; where my isn’t.


414 posted on 02/10/2015 11:17:17 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
"I’ll just have to assume that their behavior is tolerable to you; where my (sic) isn’t."

Please don't, as that may be construed as mind reading.
Each of us is responsible for what we post and for the manner in which we choose to make that post.
I was responding to your post(s) to me.
Thank you for saying I'm nice, but I'm not nicer than any other FReepers out there: we're strangers online, and there are many on both sides of our forum arguments who serve God much better than I do in the real world, and post better than I do here.
God bless you!

415 posted on 02/10/2015 1:11:22 PM PST by Grateful2God (Faith alone, not good works? And Mother Teresa wasted all that time with both...)
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To: Grateful2God
Please don't, as that may be construed as mind reading.

Not to a mod.

I did NOT place any conjectures in YOUR mind; but mine (sic) own.

416 posted on 02/11/2015 10:29:16 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
Elsie,

Among Catholics, 300pm is designated as a holy hour, for it was at 3pm that Jesus commend His Spirit to Our Father and gave His Life for us all. Today my prayers at 3 will be offered to Our Eternal Father for your intentions. May God shower upon you His peace and all the Fruits of the Holy Spirit, and all His 7 gifts!

God bless you!

417 posted on 02/11/2015 12:29:07 PM PST by Grateful2God (Faith alone, not good works? And Mother Teresa wasted all that time with both...)
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To: Grateful2God

Thank you.

Although we fuss back and forth, I consider you to be Christian.

I also consider that you are carrying a lot more baggage around needlessly.

I need no special hour to pray for anything.


418 posted on 02/11/2015 4:13:03 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
"Although we fuss back and forth, I consider you to be Christian."

Thank you, Elsie, that was a very kind thing to say, and I appreciate it! God bless you!

We set aside certain times of the day for prayer, depending on our state in life! I pray for all my brothers and sisters in creation; sometimes people ask for prayers, and a lot of times I ask others to pray for me! Lord knows we can all use God's help! Today, I wanted in my heart to remember you especially to God! When that call comes, I obey with joy!

I also beg for prayers from you, if it's ok (if not, please understand, I mean no offense) and all our readers who believe as I do about praying for one another, because you're right, Elsie: right now is a terribly difficult time in my life, and I believe that God hears all heartfelt prayers, and I know I could sure use them, to help me do His Will!

God bless you and all us FReepers, and keep us close to Him always!

419 posted on 02/11/2015 7:01:08 PM PST by Grateful2God (Faith alone, not good works? And Mother Teresa wasted all that time with both...)
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To: Grateful2God
...and I believe that God hears all heartfelt prayers...

I KNOW that HE does!

(And HE needs no Mary or Saint to pass the really goods ones thru first ;^)

420 posted on 02/12/2015 4:24:01 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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