Mary Matters (Dr. Walter Martin on disbelief in the Mother of God)

Catholic Exchange ^ | JULY 26, 2014 | Tim Staples

[terycarl]

It's always best to stick with what's found in Scripture and not go beyond that into speculation and rationalization

Take and eat of this THIS IS MY BODY.....No need to speculate on that nor try to rationalize any other interpretation....

[ADSUM]

Your comment: “Mary was the mother of Christ ONLY in His humanity not, as you stated, in His eternal deity.”

So you are Solomon-like and want to split the child in two?

The Word became Flesh, as Jesus was both God and Man at the same time, not two different beings.

If Jesus was God and Man, Mary was His only Mother. This does not make her divine, but it does make her the Mother of God, just as Jesus was known as the Son of Man.

We should adore, honor and respect Jesus for being so humble and doing the will of the Father, and we honor and respect Mary and Joseph for following the will of God and raising Jesus so that we could save us from our sins.

[Iscool]

Jesus can no more see God than I or you can see our souls.

Both St. John and St. Paul speak of how, in heaven, we will SEE GOD AS HE IS.
But that's only Scripture, which always takes second-place to man-made Protestant doctrines.

Quite clearly, Catholics have no idea what the Trinity is, or what the scripture says...

1Jn_3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

In heaven there will be no Father, Son and Holy Spirit...There will only be, God...Or, we may call him Jesus since it will be Jesus who will be visible...

Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

We will not see God the Father...We will not see God the Holy Spirit...We will only see the physical manifestation of the Trinity who is called Jesus...And we have no clue what he looks like at this time...

The Trinity is 3 persons...God is 1 person...When God is in front of us, we will see Jesus...Who is God...

[terycarl]

Today she has bible studies in her home reaching other catholics who like her never came to know Christ while in their church...she is a mighty instrument in the hand of God and a passion for Him and the truth. So there are those who HE does prepare to hear the truth and want to know it....moreso... they want Him over and above all else. This was what brought her to ask questions when we negaged about the things of God.

there are none so blind as those who have the truth and attempt to deny it....very, very sad...and the consequences could be......I don't even like to think about it......and those who led them astray.....WOW.....muslims have a better chance at salvation.

[Iscool]

We are forbidden to make any image to focus our attention upon. We are forbidden to bow before any image of any thing “on earth or in Heaven.”

Whether in color OR black and white...

[terycarl]

Nope because for one thing, the sin nature comes through the father.

I thought that EVE ate the apple???????

[ADSUM]

Your comment: “I am not saying “eat my flesh and drink my blood” was a proper parable (though in my mind it is clearly figurative), but do think the result of His saying falls in line with the judgment He spoke of in Mark above. Jesus came to Israel, His own, and His own received Him not. Tragic mistake.”

Many of the Jews and many gentiles did accept Jesus. And some did not. Even today many do not accept all the teachings of Jesus, including some Catholics.

I believe that Jesus was very clear and emphasized his meaning very clearly as literal and was necessary for salvation.

There is scientific evidence that consecrated hosts from different centuries (1100 and 2008) contains heart muscle and blood that has been reported in the news.

[Iscool]

Even so, would it have been sufficient for Christ to die only in His human form?

What happens to the body, soul and spirit when a Christian dies??? That's what happened when Jesus died...

[Arthur McGowan]

You don’t seem to hold the Christian dogma concerning the Trinity.

[terycarl]

So what about the Prophet Mohammed in Islam?

just to set everyone straight...mohammad was NOT a prophet...

[avenir]

“I believe that Jesus was very clear and emphasized his meaning very clearly as literal and was necessary for salvation.”

Understood. I just pointed out that a blinding judgment on unbelieving Israel was one reason Jesus’ words might confound (and not be cleared up for those so confounded).

[terycarl]

The term *God the Son* appears no where in Scripture

when you have seen Me, you have seen the Father .

[ADSUM]

Your comment:”The Trinity is 3 persons...God is 1 person...When God is in front of us, we will see Jesus”

The Trinity is a mystery that we cannot fully comprehend, but God is God. Jesus has dual nature as God and Man. If we make it to Heaven, then God will reveal Himself to us in all His Glory.We will adore God.

[terycarl]

She was SPECIAL enough on her own that GOD created her sinless

ALLELUIA !!!!!!!! Keep paying attention and you too can be a Catholic....No need to be Baptized again, if you were legitimately Baptized, you are already a Catholic....welcome home!!!!

[ADSUM]

Sorry. The last sentence was meant to say “He” not we.

[terycarl]

They’re obviously poorly catectized.

There is SO MUCH of that going around these days!

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yeah...rght!!

[terycarl]

Most do not say anything anyway unless it is Daniel, mm or cb. They quote from the Bible.

You need a MUCH more reliable source for Biblical infomation......MUCH MORE!!!!

[terycarl]

Mary’s preservation from original sin was accomplished in anticipation of her Son’s redemptive work.

Bull! ------------------------------------------ How could you concieveably refute that statement ??????

[terycarl]

So tell us, is the body we have now capable of walking through walls and appearing and disappearing on command?

Not yet....on the other hand, most of us aren't dead yet...

[terycarl]

It is man made. When people believe in traditions more than the Bible, it is man made. Y’all are great at stating what traditions say but have little to do with what he Bible says. Why is that?

Why, on the other hand, do you believe that Christianity ended when the last page of th Bible was written by the Catholic Church????......sola scriptura by any chance??