Mary Matters (Dr. Walter Martin on disbelief in the Mother of God)

Catholic Exchange ^ | JULY 26, 2014 | Tim Staples

[2nd amendment mama]

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[Elsie]

It's a simple question.

All misdirections are.

[Elsie]

And it is certainly relevant to the Original Article.

This one?

Mary Matters (Dr. Walter Martin on disbelief in the Mother of God)

[CynicalBear]

>>St. Luke uses the perfect passive participle, kekaritomene, as his “name” for Mary. This word literally means “she who has been graced” in a completed sense.<<

Yeah, like I completed unloading a 100 bushel wagon load of corn into an empty 1000 bushel bin. The action of unloading that corn is complete and will remain completed. That does NOT mean the 1000 bu bin is "full of corn".

>>“Full of grace” is Mary’s name.<<

Not any more then that 1000 bu bin is "full of corn" after unloading that 100 bu wagon. The word for "full" in Greek is pleres, the Holy Spirit DID use it to describe both Stephen and Christ "full of grace". He did NOT use that word in regard to Mary.

>>Only Mary is given the name “full of grace” and in the perfect tense, indicating that this permanent state of Mary was completed.<<

That is pure deceit from Catholicism. There are only two individuals who were described as full of grace, Stephen and Christ.

That's only one example of how the Catholic Church twists scripture to establish their false teachings. The Catholic Church is built on lies, misleading, and false doctrines.

[Elsie]

Believe it or not, there are actually Catholics who are here to find a common ground, and to have an adult, courteous discussion.

Don't those two ever want to interact with the rest of them?

[Elsie]

Have you never read Luke's Gospel?

Is that the one that contains THIS???

 

Luke 2:22-24

 

When the time came for the purification rites required by the Law of Moses, Joseph and Mary took him to Jerusalem to present him to the Lord  (as it is written in the Law of the Lord, “Every firstborn male is to be consecrated to the Lord”),  and to offer a sacrifice in keeping with what is said in the Law of the Lord: “a pair of doves or two young pigeons.”

 

[Elsie]

Now that is rich coming from a protestant...who's your man, Luther, Zwingley, Calvin, Wesley, ????

You Catholics have...

Pope Stephen VI

Pope John XII

Pope Benedict IX

Pope Boniface VIII

Pope Urban VI

Pope Alexander VI

Pope Leo X

Pope Clement VII

 

Enjoy!

[Elsie]

....I kind of thought that Heaven was eternal and they didn't bother with waatches and clocks and hourglasses....

Why do you think this?

What does your catechism say?

[Elsie]

Oh goodie, Mary's time constraints again....

Oh goodie, Mary's GODlike powers exposed again!

[Elsie]

Shake your head.

The noise you hear will gave you more insight.

[Elsie]

I haven't had a chaance to look them up yet...

Sure you have!

You merely have other priorities in life!

[CynicalBear]

>>But this way of thinking carried to its logical conclusion would list Jesus Christ in the company of sinners as well.<<

That's right it would and He put Himself there.

1 Peter 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

The wages of sin is death. It's why Christ had to die. Now, who's sins did Mary die for?

[Elsie]

... they have been replaced by the Protestant churches ...

Who now control ROME and make her teach her members quite poorly.

As in POORLY CATECHIZED as you PERFECT Catholics like to berate them.

[Elsie]

no they don't

Billions of prayers to Mary; the frigid Jewish girl.

[CynicalBear]

Isn’t it a rule to give attribution when you cut and paste?

[CynicalBear]

>>I simply do not understand how you can separate Jesus from God.<<

Did God die?

[Elsie]

I don’t believe Our Lady is a co-redeemed.

...and her role in God’s plan of salvation as Co-redemptrix and Mediatrix.

Did you even READ the article?

One of you two appear to be wrong!!

[Elsie]

Your Sarcasm Detector power switch seems to be in the OFF position.

[CynicalBear]

You didn’t miss anything other then deceit and twisting of scripture from the Catholic Church.

[Elsie]

Think about how the tone of this forum would be if we ALL ceased from the "they always...." type of comment.

If you can get your fellow Catholics to adhere to your suggestion; I'd be really surprised.