Posted on 01/10/2015 7:51:05 AM PST by ebb tide
And of course you don't have any evidence of that...You don't have any choice but to believe that or you religion becomes illegitimate for every Catholic on the face of the earth
Jesus never told any priest or pope or Magisterium that he could, should or would turn any flesh into bread...What Jesus did say was, 'break this bread and eat it in remembrance of me'...
And of course you don't have any evidence of that...You don't have any choice but to believe that or you religion becomes illegitimate for every Catholic on the face of the earth
Jesus never told any priest or pope or Magisterium that he could, should or would turn any flesh into bread...What Jesus did say was, 'break this bread and eat it in remembrance of me'...
One would think that if he is celibate, it wouldn't be an issue for him to be accepted as a queer priest...
Nope...God was fully in control at all times...
So there are no pedo priests, eh??? I guess we all know you are wrong on that one...
You almost sound like the crime against adolescent teenagers is acceptable...That's called statuary rape...And since being queer isn't a crime in most places, it could be that 96% of your priests could be queer and 2% straight...
I didn’t say there was no pedophillia cases. But there is no epidemic. This is a liberal lie. There are pedo priest the exact same way there are pedo baptist, methodist, evangelical, morman, buddist, 7th day adventist, etc. The vast majority of sex abuse cases, with Catholic clergy or any other clergy, are homosexual men preying on teenage boys. And I read somewhere where protestant faiths have a higher percentage of sex abuse than Catholics. I think Jews are higher than any faith.
>>98% of Catholic priest have never committed a sex crime or any other type of crime.<<
Just thought I’d paint the catholic church with a broad brush just as you did the Anglican church.
I realize there are bad apples in the catholic church, just as it is in any denomination....would you not agree? Or will you offer yet another broad brush statement?
I said theAnglican Church allows practicing homosexuals to become priests. That is a fact. No broad brush there, it’s fact. Gene Robinson was a “bishop” and “married” his boyfriend.
The homosexual pedophilia issue in the catholic church has gone on for decades and runs deep. Until the recent decade, it has been hidden and folks have been “compensated” in an effort to keep a lid on it. Pedophiles had been sent off for periods of time then reassigned to another parish/assignment to then abuse again. We are not talking about a few children, not hundreds but thousands of young kids that have had their innocents stolen.
Good grief man. Sexual abuse at the hands of a priest, the absolute worse type of abuse imaginable and it has been particularly prevalent in the catholic church. Why do you think this is so? Homosexuals among the ranks of the priesthood.
Oh no, not this again...and with an "Uh, Syncro" whatever that implies.
You get the short version, because your statement has been proven false so many times here in the Religion Forum at Free Republic.
No where in the Bible are there reference to Catholics...that is members of the Catholic belief system.
That was all added later, a few hundred years later.
Back in day, there were Christians.
Followers of Jesus that believed on Him, followed Him, and were born again.
Catholics came later, but did some scemantic gymnastics and magically Peter, Mary, John and all the Christians were Catholics!
And Peter, who denied Jesus 3 times and got a "get thee behind me satan" was made the leader. POPE! (there were no popes back then)
Sorry, not Biblical, but thanks for trying.
Uh...Unnngh..
>>“There’s a lot of gay priests but nobody will actually get up and say it.”<<
Wow. Just for the record, none of the Apostles were homosexual. Why does the Roman Catholic church condone such sin? Why do the bishops let these homosexual priests handle communion?
>>You CAN be gay and celibate, just like you can be a hetero and celibate.<<
So you are fine with priests being celibate homosexuals? Wouldn’t that make the Catholic church condone homosexual laity who are not celibate? Which is a clear violation of Romans chapter 1.
>>Did God subject Himself to Pontius Pilate?<<
No and quite a poor example.
>>98% of Catholic priest have never committed a sex crime or any other type of crime. And the other 2% are charged with crimes against adolescent teenagers. This is not pedophillia.<<
Keep telling yourself that and maybe you will one day actually believe it. Just like Obamacare is affordable. Not.
Did I SAY I was FINE with it....NO.....I just Stated a FACT of life.
98% of Catholic priest have not been known to ever committed a sex crime or any other type of crime.
And the other 2% are charged with crimes against adolescent teenagers.
Don't forget the confessions of priests to the crimes and the cover up by the RCC of known incidents.
This is not pedophillia. It is called homosexuality.
It's hair splitting. Sin is sin and does not belong in the leadership of any church and the RCC is wrong, wrong, wrong, for not dealing with it when it happened.
Qualifications for elder and deacon.
1 Corinthians 5:1-13 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that is not tolerated even among pagans, for a man has his father's wife. And you are arrogant! Ought you not rather to mourn? Let him who has done this be removed from among you.
For though absent in body, I am present in spirit; and as if present, I have already pronounced judgment on the one who did such a thing. When you are assembled in the name of the Lord Jesus and my spirit is present, with the power of our Lord Jesus, you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord.
Your boasting is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump? Cleanse out the old leaven that you may be a new lump, as you really are unleavened. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. Let us therefore celebrate the festival, not with the old leaven, the leaven of malice and evil, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”
That precludes taking communion with someone like that.
2 John 1:4-11 I rejoiced greatly to find some of your children walking in the truth, just as we were commanded by the Father. And now I ask you, dear lady—not as though I were writing you a new commandment, but the one we have had from the beginning—that we love one another. And this is love, that we walk according to his commandments; this is the commandment, just as you have heard from the beginning, so that you should walk in it. For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist. Watch yourselves, so that you may not lose what we have worked for, but may win a full reward. Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.
Titus 1:5-16 This is why I left you in Crete, so that you might put what remained into order, and appoint elders in every town as I directed you— if anyone is above reproach, the husband of one wife, and his children are believers and not open to the charge of debauchery or insubordination. For an overseer, as God's steward, must be above reproach. He must not be arrogant or quick-tempered or a drunkard or violent or greedy for gain, but hospitable, a lover of good, self-controlled, upright, holy, and disciplined. He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it.
For there are many who are insubordinate, empty talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision party. They must be silenced, since they are upsetting whole families by teaching for shameful gain what they ought not to teach. One of the Cretans, a prophet of their own, said, “Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons.” This testimony is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith, not devoting themselves to Jewish myths and the commands of people who turn away from the truth. To the pure, all things are pure, but to the defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure; but both their minds and their consciences are defiled. They profess to know God, but they deny him by their works. They are detestable, disobedient, unfit for any good work.
1 Timothy 3:1-13 The saying is trustworthy: If anyone aspires to the office of overseer, he desires a noble task. Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. He must manage his own household well, with all dignity keeping his children submissive, for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he care for God's church? He must not be a recent convert, or he may become puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil. Moreover, he must be well thought of by outsiders, so that he may not fall into disgrace, into a snare of the devil.
Deacons likewise must be dignified, not double-tongued, not addicted to much wine, not greedy for dishonest gain. They must hold the mystery of the faith with a clear conscience. And let them also be tested first; then let them serve as deacons if they prove themselves blameless. Their wives likewise must be dignified, not slanderers, but sober-minded, faithful in all things. Let deacons each be the husband of one wife, managing their children and their own households well. For those who serve well as deacons gain a good standing for themselves and also great confidence in the faith that is in Christ Jesus.
Galatians 5:19-24 Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
Percentage-wise, more protestant clergy commit sex crimes than Catholics. Comparing pedophillia and homosexuality is not hair splitting. Sexually molesting young girls is not homosexuality and the vast majority of sex abuse cases among Catholics or any other faith are committed by predator homosexuals, and just about all homosexuals fall in that category.
Indeed, a fact of fallen life no church can allow to stay within the Body of Christ.
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