Posted on 12/14/2014 11:57:21 AM PST by ealgeone
The reason for this article is to determine if the worship/veneration given to Mary by the catholic church is justified from a Biblical perspective. This will be evaluated using the Biblical standard and not man’s standard.
I mean Blessed Mother Teresa who gave her life for the poor of Calcutta who saw the face of Christ in all she encountered. We could all learn something from her.
Unless, one is predisposed, because of theological considerations, to side with the Christopher Hitchens' of the world.
Silly me. Here, all along, I thought JESUS was the perfect Pray-er.
As a matter of fact, when the disciples wanted to know how to pray, they went to Jesus, not His mother.
And Jesus taught them that when they pray, they should start with *Our FATHER*.
Elsie? ELSIE!!!
Are you OK?
Elsie, where are you?
What are we supposed to be looking at there?
Mother of God is a biblical fact. Jesus is God and has a mother.
Well, there's nothing in Scripture either that supports the primacy of Peter, nor does it at all address apostolic succession or how it's to be carried out, nor does it address the subsequent popes.
And many people have been martyred for their faith. How does them being martyred for their faith mean anything except that they were martyred for their faith?
The Holy Spirit.
For Catholics the pope trumps what Jesus taught.
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Imagine that.......
Catholics believe what the Church teaches. The Bible in your iPad comes form the same source, the Catholic Church. Does the Church teaches beyond what it in the recorded Scripture? Of course. Does the Church contradict the Scripture? Of course not; that would be for the Church to contradict herself.
However, the foundational principles of Protestantism contradict the Holy Scripture. That is a serious problem.
I call her what she is. I am in no position to give titles to anyone. However, I like "mother of God" above all because it makes starkly clear the reality of the Holy Trinity.
I am aware of the word games that are the foundation of Protestant theology. The fact remains, the Protestant theology denies the plain meaning of many passages in the scripture, and I do take them in context.
Christians believe what Scripture teaches.
Does the Church teaches beyond what it in the recorded Scripture? Of course.
Thus disobeying Paul's injunction in 1 Corinthians 4:6 I have applied all these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, brothers, that you may learn by us not to go beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up in favor of one against another.
Does the Church contradict the Scripture?
Absolutely.
Call no man *Father*.
Do not eat the blood.
No one says that. We all have sinned. The exceptions are Mary and possibly a few others. "We" are not them.
No it doesn't because there's nothing in the term *God* that gives anyone any reason to think *Trinity*.
However, here by saying that *mother of God* makes starkly clear the reality of the Trinity equates to saying that Mary is the mother of the Trinity.
The Holy Spirit in the NT calls Mary *mother of Jesus*.
We are talking English aren’t we? Is there someone going to tell me what gay means in Italian or Latin?
That’s what we’d have to have for the parallel you’re trying to make to be able to work.
I am saying that ‘venerate’ is an English word and that it means something in English. What its root used to mean in Latin is nothing more than a curiosity in our discussion.
Don’t you see that the most effective argument is to hold people to the definition of venerate, and when something looks like much more than veneration that they have to account for it?
I venerate my grandfather. I don’t worship his departed spirit.
“I am aware of the word games that are the foundation of Protestant theology.”
If you really believe that, you do not understand theology and how it is formulated.
“The fact remains, the Protestant theology denies the plain meaning of many passages in the scripture, and I do take them in context.”
Actually, what appears to some as “the plain meaning” (and perhaps this includes you), is not the plain meaning of the passage. If anyone begins with an idea that is pre-decided and brings it to Scripture, looking for confirmation, they will find words that sound like that exact idea. When you explain to them that every single verse, chapter, book etc. has a context, they do not want to hear that. When you add language, culture and history, they tell you it is too much work and you are denying the “plain meaning.”
And this is why we are commanded to “study to show ourselves approved, workman rightly handling the Word of truth.”
The plain meaning is often a heresy. Just look at mormonism, which can cite lots of plain meaning passages... as long as you do no more than look at a word.
Best.
“However, I like “mother of God” above all because it makes starkly clear the reality of the Holy Trinity.”
You may like lots of things, but when they are a heresy, God outranks you.
The Holy Trinity doesn’t rest on that belief at all.
Follow peace with all men, and holiness: without which no man shall see God. (Hebrews 12:14)
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