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Matrimony or Bust – Another Glimpse at the Why and How of Traditional Marriage’s Demise
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 12-07-14 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 12/08/2014 7:12:10 AM PST by Salvation

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To: Salvation

Whether married or single, the answer to the mess men are in is always Jesus Christ and the true manhood he offers. The man Christ Jesus gives us self-control (something essential re:”sexual energies”). Real manhood is submitting to the Father of our spirits! Real cowardice is refusing the upward call of God and all that implies.


21 posted on 12/08/2014 8:14:45 AM PST by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: tanknetter

Good questions.


22 posted on 12/08/2014 8:15:08 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
State marriage is dead, as you can't require a license for something (cohabitation) that has no legal repercussions for violating.

Its quite silly for the state to issue a license to engage in acts that are perfectly legal without the license.

I'm an advocate of getting married within the Church and ignoring the State. The State doesn't recognize marriage as a sacrament, so why should the Church recognize the State's control over it, when they don't exercise control over it in any fashion?

23 posted on 12/08/2014 8:15:20 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: RatRipper
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24 posted on 12/08/2014 8:19:53 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

That’s interesting. I can see the appeal, but have seen firsthand how some Asian women have become superficial, money-hungry little monsters over time and bolted from their American husbands. “Bad company corrupts good character”—1 Cor. 15:33 (Paul quoting Menander)


25 posted on 12/08/2014 8:24:45 AM PST by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: Salvation

Your thesis is flawed. Words like retreat and statements like job equality indicate that you like a kinder gentle form of feminism. The roots of the problem are much deeper than that. The emphesis on the individual rather than the family in: economics, rights and status represent a more foundational framing. Feminism like communism sees the family as a hindrance to their goals and so they labor to break the family structure to erect thier own vision of society, but that vision has never been and can never be. Thus both communism and feminism is destruction of the most basic building block of soviety in defiance of God and His created order. Money is not free and women are not men, but insanity does not blink an eye. Feminism sacrifices the family for the female member’s short-term benefit. The patriarchy is supplanted for the amazon reign, and that reign is the annihilation of society. Sow the wind reap the whirlwind!


26 posted on 12/08/2014 8:26:38 AM PST by DaveyB
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To: Salvation

Men = providers and protectors

Except now they are big babies and want to come first ahead of their children and focus on their sex lives. That’s the problem. Not feminism.


27 posted on 12/08/2014 8:28:55 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: DaveyB

**Feminism like communism sees the family as a hindrance to their goals and so they labor to break the family structure to erect their own vision of society, but that vision has never been and can never be. Thus both communism and feminism is destruction of the most basic building block of society in defiance of God and His created order. **

What truth!


28 posted on 12/08/2014 8:36:18 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: yldstrk

I disagree.

We all need to turn back to the Bible and follow what it says. Start with Ephesians 5:22-33.


29 posted on 12/08/2014 8:38:16 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Yes, the men need to lay down their lives for their wives FIRST and following that, the women need to respect the men. It starts with the men.

This focus on their sex lives is what’s killing it.


30 posted on 12/08/2014 8:41:31 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

I think both sexes are guilty of the drive for sex first. If anything, the women far exceed the men in my opinion.


31 posted on 12/08/2014 8:43:21 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: yldstrk
???

The article is about young men who are "checking out". They have no wives, no children, no "sex lives" worthy of the name, and very little interest in acquiring anything like any of those.

My son is one of them. Maybe both my sons.

You're clearly talking about something else.

32 posted on 12/08/2014 8:45:50 AM PST by Campion
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To: Dilbert San Diego
> Why would men seek someone who is not American as a wife?

Because modern American college-educated feminist women speak an alien language -- I know, it *sounds* very much like English, but clearly the words mean very different things -- so what the Hell, why not go all-in and marry someone from a completely foreign culture? Odds are, at least she'll be able to make something for dinner besides reservations or a phone call for carry-out.

33 posted on 12/08/2014 8:51:02 AM PST by Flatus I. Maximus (Obstruct. Oppose. Overthrow. Obama.)
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To: Salvation

Sex is only appropriate during marriage. And having kids is the reason. If the men are watching porn and want the women to act like that, it ain’t happening.


34 posted on 12/08/2014 8:54:12 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: SampleMan
State marriage is dead, as you can't require a license for something (cohabitation) that has no legal repercussions for violating.

That has always been the case, so nothing would change with your proposal.

People don't have to have legal marriages and never did, but they want their marriage to be legal in most cases, for instance in the military.

35 posted on 12/08/2014 8:55:47 AM PST by ansel12
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To: CatherineofAragon

Ping!


36 posted on 12/08/2014 9:04:36 AM PST by Albion Wilde (It is better to offend a human being than to offend God.)
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To: Salvation
A very sad picture, but unfortunately one indeed based on the reality of a gathering social disaster.

Unless reversed in short order, it is very difficult to see much besides social chaos ahead.

William Flax

37 posted on 12/08/2014 9:15:41 AM PST by Ohioan
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To: ansel12

Actually it has not always been the case.

There were enforced laws in the past against a man and a woman living together without a marriage license.

Additionally, polygamy might be universally illegal, but those laws are also universally unenforced when all parties are willing. The only polygamy related arrests are due to benefits fraud.


38 posted on 12/08/2014 9:21:39 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: SampleMan

You are ignoring the larger point as you look for some exceptions within the United States, for instance George Washington didn’t have to comply with state law because his religious marriage was enough for cohabitation, it just wasn’t compliant with government law unless it met certain criteria (common law marriage is like that, it has to be legal, to be legal), but he made sure that it was, because he wanted the benefits of legal marriage.

Marriage based on personal religious views has always been possible in America, so what does your plan to not have legal marriage for people do, that is different?

How many people do you think are willing to not have their marriages be legal? Your suggestion is useless as a solution to protecting marriage.


39 posted on 12/08/2014 9:37:35 AM PST by ansel12
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To: Salvation

So when are men going to change the laws they’ve made?


40 posted on 12/08/2014 9:57:38 AM PST by Tax-chick (R.I.P., Dad, 11/25/14. Thanks for the lawyers, guns, and money.)
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