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To: Resettozero
"Here's the rub:... The RCC, headquartered inside the Vatican in Italy, maintains it alone is the church referenced here to the exclusion of other groups of believers in and followers of Lord Jesus Christ.

Not so. Here's what the Catholic Church says about that:

Catechism of the Catholic Church, para. 819
"Furthermore, many elements of sanctification and of truth" are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church: "the written Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope, and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well as visible elements." Christ's Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation..."

32 posted on 11/21/2014 12:42:07 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Sanity is the adequate response of the mind to the real thing: adaequatio mentis ad rem.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Catechism of the Catholic Church, para. 819 "Furthermore, many elements of sanctification and of truth" are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church: "the written Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope, and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well as visible elements." Christ's Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation..."

Truly, other RC posters on FR do not agree with this tenent. But, thank you for posting this. I'll be quoting it often to the RC posters on FR who say that the RCC is the one and only church that Christ founded on Simon Peter. These posters have said this many times in many ways on many FR threads over many years.

Can you please provide me with an online link to where you found this paragraph 819? Thank you.

This Catechism of the (Roman) Catholic Church, para.819 you have posted is conclusive proof that the Roman Catholic church admits God's Gift of Salvation (through the Lord Jesus Christ only) can be given, as God sees fit, to other believers who worship at other churches, and is NOT limited to members only of the RCC.
34 posted on 11/21/2014 12:53:32 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Galatians 1:8 New International Version (NIV)

8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!

Mark 7:7-9 New International Version (NIV)
7 They worship me in vain;
their teachings are merely human rules.’
8 You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.”
9 And he continued, “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions!

2 Timothy 3:16 New International Version (NIV)
16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness

Sorry, but there is only one Holy Bible and Scripture. You can claim that the Catechism falls into this category, but the Bible disagrees.


47 posted on 11/21/2014 9:22:00 PM PST by mrobisr
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