Posted on 11/14/2014 1:01:10 PM PST by millegan
The term “fundamentalist” is a pejorative term today, used to label someone the speaker believes is an irrational religious extremist of some kind.
But a hundred years ago, the term was taken as a badge of honor by theologically conservative Protestants to distinguish themselves from liberal Protestantism. While liberal Protestants in mainline denominations were denying basic Christian teachings like the authority of the Bible and the bodily resurrection of Jesus, conservative Protestants called for going back to the “fundamentals” of the faith – hence the term.
There are obviously a lot of issues on which Catholics and fundamentalists disagree, but there are a few important issues for which fundamentalists take a lot of heat in our culture that Catholics actually agree with them on – or at least are supposed to. Unfortunately, in my experience many Catholics – afraid to have themselves labeled a “fundamentalist” – can throw the baby out with the bath water and end up denying beliefs espoused by fundamentalists that are also taught by the Catholic Church.
Here are 5 things that are already present in the Catholic faith, but that Catholics could learn from their fundamentalist brothers and sisters to take more seriously:
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After reading many posts on the RF from Catholics, I'd have to disagree with you on 3 and especially 4.
For #3 it's because Catholics depend so heavily on their works, doing good deeds, being baptized, taking communion, *co-operating* with God's grace in various works.
And for number 4, I've found precious few who agree with that. They totally blow off the rapture and Tribulation and interpret the book of Revelation to be an allegory or outline of the mass.
Cherry picking fragments of verses to make Scripture say what you want is no way to correctly interpret Scripture.
Jesus never gave the command *Listen to the church* ANYWHERE in Scripture. Those words are found in Matthew where Jesus is addressing how to deal with disputes between individual believers and He says that IF a man will not listen to reason, then to take it to the church and if he won’t listen even them to treat him as an unbeliever.
It is NOT a command to submit to the *Church*, meaning the Roman one.
Non-Catholics are being CONSTANTLY disparaged and dismissed with accusations of taking *snippets* of Scripture to make it say what we want.
What makes it OK for a Catholic to do it and not others?
Don’t be hypocritical.
Great post. You got the mindset of Catholics pretty well nailed down.
Even at our best, we fall so short of God’s perfection that there’s no way that we can ever do it ourselves.
I guess that’s where there are differences between Catholics and others. They think they can actually go without sinning.
It’s when you realize your total inability to do ANYTHING about your sin problem that you throw yourself on God’s mercy and receive the forgiveness we can’t see Him without.
That is why we trust our SBC minister. He got his PHD in ancient languages-—Greek, Hebrew, etc. We truly know he knows what he is teaching about. He is one of a kind and we are truly blessed to have him. This whole city loves him because he walks the walk he teaches. God bless you, Brother Jimmy. We love and appreciate you.
Wrong. For decades now Rome has been teaching the liberal revisionism such as seen in her sanctioned NAB commentary .
2) The reality of sin and Hell
Not necessarily the Scriptural fundamentalist belief, but more ambiguous, as,
Christian doctrine explains when it speaks of eternal damnation or hell. It is not a punishment imposed externally by God but a development of premises already set by people in this life. The very dimension of unhappiness which this obscure condition brings can in a certain way be sensed in the light of some of the terrible experiences we have suffered which, as is commonly said, make life "hell" ...
The Book of Revelation also figuratively portrays in a "pool of fire" those who exclude themselves from the book of life, thus meeting with a "second death"...
All this is narrated in the parable of the rich man, which explains that hell is a place of eternal suffering, with no possibility of return, nor of the alleviation of pain (cf. Lk. 16:19-3 1) - General Audience of Wednesday, 28 July 1999 http://www.ewtn.com/library/papaldoc/jp2heavn.htm#Hell
3) The absolute unicity of Jesus for salvation
And Mary, whom RCs can say, “became the ruler of hell, that trembles at her slightest gaze and is defeated by her power.” (en Series of Meditations of the Mysteries of the Rosary, by Ferraro)
But not necessarily either.
Cardinal O'Connor has something to say:
I think that the divisions manifest here on earth will be reconciled in some mysterious way in heaven. I'm not thinking just of Catholics and Protestants, but people of other faiths and people of no faith. We are all children of God.
Q: So we shouldn't be surprised if we were to meet in heaven someone who was a Muslim or an atheist on earth?
A: I hope I will be surprised in heaven... I think I will be. - http://turretinfan.blogspot.com/2012/05/cardinal-cormac-murphy-oconnor-on.html
4) The future Second Coming of Christ
But which denies His millennial reign on earth.
5) A willingness to be fools for Christ
Rather, Christ seems to be more of a means to the end of promoting Rome and Mary, and thus it is a willingness to be fools for Rome.
No you do not as part of the liturgy, and far from it.
It is hard to hear the entire bible when it seems even in the weekly Sundays & Weekdays cycle Obadiah doesn't get a single reading, and only 1% of 1 Chronicles and 3% of 2 Chronicles, 5% of Leviticus and Lamentations, and 6% of Numbers and Proverbs, and 7% of Joshua and 8% of Ezra and Job (just in the under 10% category) are read.
Moreover, much of what you do hear is repetition.
As the RM advises, "you will find many well educated, articulate, reasoning posters on the RF. You will also find a few who throw spitwads because they have no ammunition. Engage the former, ignore the latter." — http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3134642/posts?page=162#162
All sins damns.
The consequence is the same, regardless of whether we consider some sin worse than others or think God does.
I just tried to find an animated gif of spitballs hitting the monitor and found zilch.
Come on people who can do art stuff, you can do better!
interesting; tx
Thanks.. I have kinda figured out the ones to ignore. They think if they throw it out there, some of it will stick. I did not grow up with Catholics. I can remember 3 families. I do not even think I knew any in college or if I did, they were not obnoxious like some on here. Most were Baptists or Methodists. I can remember walking with a friend to the Methodist church downtown. Good memories at MSU. I treasure my years there.
You couldn't be more wrong.
Jesus said that HE was the way, the truth, and the life and that no man comes to the Father but through Him.
If salvation were through any other means, Christ died for nothing.
It doesn't matter how good WE think someone is. God's standard is absolute perfection.
Anything other than that is sin and sin damns a person to hell.
Adam and Eve only took one bite out of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and for that, sin entered the world.
Disobedience to God is disobedience to God, regardless of what sin is committed. It's all rebellion.
It doesn't matter how sincere someone is and how hard they try. God allows no exceptions for *invincible ignorance* as the Catholic church does.
That's why He made it as easy as possible to become saved. Simply putting your trust in Christ alone for your salvation, and believing in Him is all it takes. Simple enough that ANYONE can do it because it doesn't depend on wealth, or status, or intellectual ability, or correct theology, or any other criteria people like to add on to it.
From the most destitute, mentally challenged, person to the richest, most intellectually gifted man, we are all so short of the perfection that God demands, that we are all in the same boat and God gives us all a means by which we can all come back into right relationship with Him because virtually anyone can understand it and avail themselves of is, no matter what impediments the world throws at us.
And that’s James, no less. The Catholics favorite book of the Bible.
When it suits them.......
I love having the Bible on my iPad. Since I have been so sick since 2008, I read it a lot. Thankfully, I am not seeing double anymore. PTL!!! I enjoy Psalms.
Or maybe like making it fit when Jesus clearly tells His disciples that they are not to address religious leaders by the title of *Father*.
Who am I that I should substitute my judgment for theirs?
Because they still could be wrong for all their pedigree.
The Holy Spirit is no respecter of persons. He will enlighten anyone to the clear meaning of Scripture and they don't need intellectual acumen to do so.
SPIRITUAL TRUTHS ARE SPIRITUALLY DISCERNED
1 Corinthians 1:18-31 For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written,“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the discernment of the discerning I will thwart.”
Where is the one who is wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe. For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
For consider your calling, brothers: not many of you were wise according to worldly standards, not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth. But God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong; God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are, so that no human being might boast in the presence of God. And because of him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption, so that, as it is written, “Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord.”
1 Corinthians 2:1-16 And I, when I came to you, brothers, did not come proclaiming to you the testimony of God with lofty speech or wisdom. For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. And I was with you in weakness and in fear and much trembling, and my speech and my message were not in plausible words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, so that your faith might not rest in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.
Yet among the mature we do impart wisdom, although it is not a wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are doomed to pass away. But we impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God, which God decreed before the ages for our glory. None of the rulers of this age understood this, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. But, as it is written,
“What no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of man imagined, what God has prepared for those who love him”—
these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. For who knows a person's thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God. And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual.
The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one. “For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.
The Holy Spirit gives us the mind of Christ and it has been revealed to us in Scripture.
Don't let the enemy snow you into thinking you can't understand it and you need someone to do it for you. The Holy Spirit can do the job.
It would only be in opposition to what you believe about God, not about the true God. You are born dead from the very start, unregenerate and "conceived in sin" (Ps 51:5), and in this state incapable of ever seeing the kingdom of heaven, which requires being born "in water and spirit" (John 3:5). It is why you Catholics baptize in the first place, as you hold to Baptismal regeneration, while we hold to Spiritual regeneration, initiated and completed by the Holy Ghost, of which the water is a sign and seal for.
The scripture is quite clear that there is no salvation for anyone outside of the body of Christ, and if any are a part of the body of Christ, it is impossible that they can remain ignorant of the Gospel, but must come running into the arms of Christ. As Christ Himself declares, "[a]ll that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out" (John 6:37).
I suggest you study Romans chapters 1-3, which deal with this topic of the damned, as well as Romans 8 and 9, which deals with how God saves, and How he is not obligated to save everyone. "I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy," etc.
They left out Mary.
Where would Catholics be without having Mary to worship?
While Catholics may disagree with fundamentalists on the genre and historical context of various passages of Scripture, and thus on how they are properly interpreted, Catholics agree with fundamentalists that the Bible must be taken literally. Yes, Catholics recognize that Scripture can have spiritual meanings (allegorical, moral, and anagogical) beyond the literal meaning, but, as the Catechism makes clear, “all other senses of Sacred Scripture are based on the literal.”
Oh my goodness. Catholics believe in the "literal interpretation of scripture" except when it's allegorical or when the "genre" is non-historical.
What a bunch of gutless, mealy-mouthed tripe. This is the religion that fought the crusades and put Galileo under house arrest?
And some silly Protestants on this forum actually believe it may grow its teeth back and re-institute the Inquisition!
Ya'll must have been from dawn south:)
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