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To: Resettozero; All
Most all LDS I know are prospering very well, as far as money is concerned. It's a more pleasant religion and forgiving religion than even RCs enjoy.

Well, I won't speak to RC now...(and therefore immediately convert this into a RC thread)... but the Bottom line is really this:

The LDS are the "rules oriented" ones:

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Example 1...from the Book of Mormon:

Q. According to the Book of Mormon, who initiates grace -- man or God?
A. Man

Q. Where is that found?
A. Helaman 12:24 and 2 Nephi 25:23

And may God grant, in his great fulness, that men might be brought unto repentance and good works, that they might be restored unto grace for grace, ACCORDING TO THEIR WORKS. (Hel. 12:24)

If grace is "merited" "according to...works" -- then, sorry, "grace" is no longer "free." It's been turned on its head & 100% redefined. (Just try teaching your kids to merit their birthday & Christmas "gifts" "according to their works.")

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Example Two -- From a previous Mormon "prophet": The purity and perfection we seek is unattainable without this subjection of unworthy, ungodlike urges and the corresponding encouragement of their opposites. We certainly cannot expect the rules to be easier for us than for the Son of God... (Lds "prophet" Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, p. 28)

Just look @ all the "rule extensions" Lds have imposed upon their followers (see next post) in order to make it to the highest degree of afterlife...That is 19th-20th-21st century legalism!

In contrast, God's truth is "the concept of free and full forgiveness through Christ" rather than the "earned forgiveness taught in Mormonism."

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Example 3 -- from this Mormon Church publication piece written by one of their general authorities (Nelson), citing Mormon "scripture" Doctrine & Covenants 130:21 ... source: DIVINE LOVE (Is Also Conditional) MORMON (OPEN)

When we obtain any blessing from God, it is by obedience to that law upon which it is predicated.” 28 ... The Lord declares: “All who will have a blessing at my hands shall abide the law which was appointed for that blessing, and the conditions thereof. …
“And as pertaining to the new and everlasting covenant, it was instituted for the fulness of my glory; and he that receiveth a fulness thereof must and shall abide the law, or he shall be damned, saith the Lord God. “… The conditions of this law are these: All covenants, contracts, bonds, obligations, oaths, vows, performances, connections, associations, or expectations, that are not made and entered into and sealed … of him who is anointed, … are of no efficacy, virtue, or force in and after the resurrection from the dead.” 30 ... Such a blessing is conditional. Those who fail to tithe have no promise.

Wow! Sounds like a good spiritual lawyer!! "The conditions of this law are these: All covenants, contracts, bonds, obligations, oaths, vows, performances, connections, associations, or expectations...!!!

Taking a look into Nelson's "footnote 28" and its reference: “When we obtain any blessing from God, it is by obedience to that law upon which it is predicated.” 28 [Source: Doctrine & Covenants 130:21]

Do MORMONS believe that?
Do all Mormons believe that?
Do you think that ANY and ALL blessings from God are "predicated" upon "obedience to that law" that automatically triggers the blessing -- like some gambling slot machine...that if you just put in enough "obediences" out comes eventual "blessings?"

4 posted on 10/27/2014 10:49:29 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

You are right. Forget I mentioned RC. Meant to say Pepsi.


7 posted on 10/27/2014 10:53:55 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Colofornian

I overlooked responding to your post to me; not intentional.

Sure hope you don’t think I’m disagreeing with you; I’m not.


49 posted on 10/28/2014 4:44:56 AM PDT by Resettozero
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